Harness angle

1. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

   #1 4th October 2014, 11:28

   Right so my cage has harness bars, so it would make sense to use them, but because my seats are so loq, the bar is higher than the hole in the seat, so the harness is coming down from the bar if that makes sense
   
   Sort of like this MX5
   
   
   
   now the FIA ruling is 0-45 degree below, so obviously I'm out of their guidelines, but I'm not racing so that doesn't matter.
   
   Is it any real issue for track use though?
   
   I mean I was using an eyelets on the rear seatbelt points, and eyelets on the transmission tunnel and they were beyond the 45 degree
   
   Any ideas?
2. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

   #2 10th October 2014, 18:10

   scrap it

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3. chompy Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Scotland Posts: 1764 Because racecar

   #3 11th October 2014, 08:14

   Get the harness bar moved. It's not a requirement just for the shits and gigs.
   
   Harnesses are not safe at they angles.
   
   Or you could sell me the cage and buy another one that will fit 😉
4. Kebabman Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2012 Lancs Posts: 439 Saxo VTS mk1 stage rally car

   #4 11th October 2014, 12:05

   As chompy said, you could just move the bar, this would invalidate any cage certificate though if you're bothered about that.
   
   The MSA guidelines are slightly different to the FIA as well, they allow a bit more leeway for upwards mounting (see below) although I don't think something like you've shown would be much good.
   
   At the end of the day, their purpose is to save your life in the event of a big impact so it's worth getting it correct.
   
   

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5. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #5 13th October 2014, 11:22

   Looks like 20 degrees up or more. Is it attached to the main roll hoop? If so its a rather straight forward task to adjust the height. The straps will hold your shoulders much better when corrected..
6. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

   #6 13th October 2014, 11:38

   That's not my car, it's the only pic I could find to show what I was on about.
   
   Mines like this :
   
   Just imagine the seat is 3" lower
   
   
7. chompy Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Scotland Posts: 1764 Because racecar

   #7 13th October 2014, 11:40

   Why not just get us a picture of your car, dick?
8. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

   #8 13th October 2014, 12:05

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by chompy Why not just get us a picture of your car, dick?

   Use your imagination, c unit
9. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #9 13th October 2014, 17:13

   I'd just lower the bar if the angle is truly off ...
10. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

    #10 13th October 2014, 17:17

    I'd have to get 3 welded in, 1 each side below the existing one, and in the middle of the main /\ if that makes sense
11. 106maxi Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2012 North West Posts: 234

    #11 13th October 2014, 21:29

    I think you are asking a question to which you already know the answer!

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12. chompy Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Scotland Posts: 1764 Because racecar

    #12 14th October 2014, 08:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 106maxi I think you are asking a question to which you already know the answer!

    This man makes sense
    
    Stop being a complete bender and fix it properly by selling me your cage
13. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #13 14th October 2014, 12:55

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MuZiZZle I'd have to get 3 welded in, 1 each side below the existing one, and in the middle of the main /\ if that makes sense

    errr.....why three? you have two currently!. A few minutes with an anglegrinder will cut those out, as you will need a shorter tube length they could be reused and all you would pay for is a bit of trimming of the bar to shape and a bit of welding...
14. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

    #14 15th October 2014, 11:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KamRacing errr.....why three? you have two currently!. A few minutes with an anglegrinder will cut those out, as you will need a shorter tube length they could be reused and all you would pay for is a bit of trimming of the bar to shape and a bit of welding...

    To have them straight the inner harness of each seat would need to be on a new bar in the middle
15. chompy Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Scotland Posts: 1764 Because racecar

    #15 15th October 2014, 11:11

    Clearly the cage is not right for you. You need to change it and sell your current one for ultra cheap
16. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

    #16 15th October 2014, 11:13

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chompy Clearly the cage is not right for you. You need to change it and sell your current one for ultra cheap

    I'd angle grind it into a thousand rings of steel for postage!
17. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #17 16th October 2014, 19:47

    raise your seat and put a dome in the roof. Worked for the Ford GT40. Would look sick!
18. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

    #18 17th October 2014, 13:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KamRacing raise your seat and put a dome in the roof. Worked for the Ford GT40. Would look sick!

    Like the Jetsons?
    
    Or the car Homer designed?
19. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

    #19 6th November 2014, 08:19

    If yuo arr wanting that cage to be approved at some time for racing then -you cannot cut things out of it or weld extra bits on it
    you can calmp a bar lower down onto cage with scaffolding type clamps --but that all

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20. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

    #20 6th November 2014, 08:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by axsaxoman If yuo arr wanting that cage to be approved at some time for racing then -you cannot cut things out of it or weld extra bits on it you can calmp a bar lower down onto cage with scaffolding type clamps --but that all

    I have the additional B pillar bar, but that's pretty much just behind the seats about 10" higher than the transmission tunnel
21. deano_123 Established Member Joined: Nov 2011 Newcastle Posts: 1698 Range Rover Sport

    #21 6th November 2014, 10:22

    My seats are basically on the floor and the harnesses are below the seat inlets, your cage must be pony
    
    
22. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

    #22 6th November 2014, 10:53

    I'm going to book onto the same day as your first outing and crash into you for the lolz
23. deano_123 Established Member Joined: Nov 2011 Newcastle Posts: 1698 Range Rover Sport

    #23 6th November 2014, 12:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MuZiZZle I'm going to book onto the same day as your first outing and crash into you for the lolz

    You'll have to catch me first, gay boy!
24. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

    #24 6th November 2014, 12:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by deano_123 You'll have to catch me first, gay boy!

    Name the time and place
25. deano_123 Established Member Joined: Nov 2011 Newcastle Posts: 1698 Range Rover Sport

    #25 6th November 2014, 13:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MuZiZZle Name the time and place

    With my race-eqsue vinyl I'll look faster parked up (I cant drive for shit on track and havent been for about 4 years)
26. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

    #26 11th November 2014, 13:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by deano_123 My seats are basically on the floor and the harnesses are below the seat inlets, your cage must be pony

    thats are really nasty lookng cage
    
    not tied to "b " posts
    rear fixings are far to far away from sides of car --will not save the car at all in a bump
    your fuel system inside car is totally illegal for racing as well --all fuel tnaks etc must be outside passenger compartment and fire proofed and fuel lines must be INSIDE roll cage -so they cannot get damaged in accident
    i could be wrong but i cannot see any load spreading plates under the feet of the cage ----suggest you look at the blue book --before you go to scrutineering for racing or rallying .
    that smell of petrol fumes you are getting in the car --thats because you are using wrong type of ends on fuel line --hose clips will never make a fume proof joint --swaged screw on fittings only
    no fuel filter between pump and tank ??? good for short fuel pump life
27. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

    #27 11th November 2014, 18:34

    It's okay John, he only goes up and down his drive in it, he's unlikely to flip it on its roof, although......
28. chompy Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Scotland Posts: 1764 Because racecar

    #28 12th November 2014, 08:42

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by axsaxoman thats are really nasty lookng cage not tied to "b " posts rear fixings are far to far away from sides of car --will not save the car at all in a bump your fuel system inside car is totally illegal for racing as well --all fuel tnaks etc must be outside passenger compartment and fire proofed and fuel lines must be INSIDE roll cage -so they cannot get damaged in accident i could be wrong but i cannot see any load spreading plates under the feet of the cage ----suggest you look at the blue book --before you go to scrutineering for racing or rallying . that smell of petrol fumes you are getting in the car --thats because you are using wrong type of ends on fuel line --hose clips will never make a fume proof joint --swaged screw on fittings only no fuel filter between pump and tank ??? good for short fuel pump life

    You've got a good eye there John