VTR to 16v non starter

1. Mickswan Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2013 Jarrow Posts: 4022 2003 Icelandic Grey 16v VTR 1991 Daihatsu GTti

   #1 30th November 2014, 16:07

   Right this is a new thread about my non starter conversion. The old thread was getting a bit clogged up so any help appreciated.
   
   Back story:
   
   I rebuilt the top end of a 3 Plug VTS engine and dropped it into my 3 plug R. Head work I done was minimal.
   
   Now I've come to start it I'm not getting no joy.
   
   ECU, immobiliser and Barrel are all from the S Donor car and are fine.
   I'm getting a spark on an new coil pack.
   New crank sensor fitted.
   Injectors were cleaned and I've had them out and tested them, getting a good spray pattern from them all.
   Timing is correct.
   Compression tested and getting good results.
   Checked the earths, gave them a clean and all is good.
   
   When I try and start I get a couple of coughs and splutters but no actual running.
   
   I'm really stumped now and I really don't know where to go next, I'm really sick.
   
   The only thing I can think of is a possible electrical fault but of I had a problem I wouldn't get a spark or fuel.
   
   Basically help!!
2. ldavies Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2008 Driving my GTI Posts: 2659 Boosted 106 GTI 16V Supercharged

   #2 30th November 2014, 16:18

   might sound like a silly response but does the key have the small black immobiliser sensor fitted in the new key fob that's used with the car.
   Simply because of that wasn't in there the fuel pump would prime car would turn over but wouldn't Fire up.
   Just a suggestion
3. Jigs2895 Established Member Joined: Jan 2013 Portsmouth Posts: 1335 1997 Mk1 VTS

   #3 30th November 2014, 17:13

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by ldavies might sound like a silly response but does the key have the small black immobiliser sensor fitted in the new key fob that's used with the car. Simply because of that wasn't in there the fuel pump would prime car would turn over but wouldn't Fire up. Just a suggestion

   Nah everything he has matches and is all of the VTS he scrapped.
4. Mickswan Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2013 Jarrow Posts: 4022 2003 Icelandic Grey 16v VTR 1991 Daihatsu GTti

   #4 30th November 2014, 17:22

   As above, Key, barrel, immobiliser and ECU are off the donar car, also tried two known unlocked and working ECU's and it was the same.
5. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

   #5 30th November 2014, 17:27

   Have you cleared any faults?
   
   Checked the inertia sensor?
6. Mickswan Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2013 Jarrow Posts: 4022 2003 Icelandic Grey 16v VTR 1991 Daihatsu GTti

   #6 30th November 2014, 17:53

   Matt cleared the codes and inertia, check.

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7. D4MJT Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Morpeth Posts: 2539 BMW 116d Regional Toner Sales Edition

   #7 30th November 2014, 20:38

   Mick, given the timing was clearly visually miles out before, why not try my parts again just for shits and giggles?
   
   Drop me a message, I work in Jesmond off and on, so if we can sort a day when I finish in the afternoon I'll just swing past when I'm already down your way before I go home.
8. L33h Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2007 North-east - Washington Posts: 7311 Clio 182, Fireblade GSX-R 750

   #8 30th November 2014, 20:39

   Seriously, the time and money you've put into this. Get rid of it
   
   Also if the timing was wrong and it coughs then have you considered bent valves?
9. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

   #9 30th November 2014, 20:42

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by L33h Seriously, the time and money you've put into this. Get rid of it

   There we have it. Problem solved.
   
   I'm puzzled to what it could be..
10. D4MJT Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Morpeth Posts: 2539 BMW 116d Regional Toner Sales Edition

    #10 30th November 2014, 20:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by L33h Seriously, the time and money you've put into this. Get rid of it Also if the timing was wrong and it coughs then have you considered bent valves?

    Shut up Lee
    
    Lol
    
    It's so close to running man, when you put this much effort in you need to one what's up with it!
11. L33h Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2007 North-east - Washington Posts: 7311 Clio 182, Fireblade GSX-R 750

    #11 30th November 2014, 20:52

    Well its hard to see what the problem is without being there tbh. Its got to be either fuel related or a stupid sensor
12. Mickswan Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2013 Jarrow Posts: 4022 2003 Icelandic Grey 16v VTR 1991 Daihatsu GTti

    #12 30th November 2014, 20:58

    Money isn't bad, made most of it breaking a few cars, but if time was money fuck me!!
13. Mickswan Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2013 Jarrow Posts: 4022 2003 Icelandic Grey 16v VTR 1991 Daihatsu GTti

    #13 30th November 2014, 20:59

    I'm going to put the normal cams backin tomorrow. The guy I bought them off had them fitted but they never ran.
    
    Easy job to switch them so why the fuck not.
14. D4MJT Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Morpeth Posts: 2539 BMW 116d Regional Toner Sales Edition

    #14 30th November 2014, 21:30

    Did you establish whether the cams themselves were the correct way round mick? Ie inlet and exhaust?
15. Mickswan Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2013 Jarrow Posts: 4022 2003 Icelandic Grey 16v VTR 1991 Daihatsu GTti

    #15 30th November 2014, 21:50

    They are identical as far as I could see, no markings at all. Not like the standard with different numbers stamped in.
16. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #16 30th November 2014, 21:57

    Recheck the wiring ie all the earths,tbh i'm running out of ideas.
17. tiger1983 Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 279

    #17 30th November 2014, 22:38

    Just been looking through the thread of common problems on here and found a link to non starts due to ecu power wire problems not getting enough power but here's the link, last 2 pages if you don't want to read it all and just want to dive into testing wires
    
    http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=214035
18. Mickswan Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2013 Jarrow Posts: 4022 2003 Icelandic Grey 16v VTR 1991 Daihatsu GTti

    #18 1st December 2014, 06:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tiger1983 Just been looking through the thread of common problems on here and found a link to non starts due to ecu power wire problems not getting enough power but here's the link, last 2 pages if you don't want to read it all and just want to dive into testing wires http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=214035

    Thanks pal