1.1 modding ;)

15th December 2014, 23:59

Hi guys so i have had my mk2 1.1 for a few months now and im kinda bored i have some 70mm springs to and will get dampers in the new year

I have removed the air restriction and put a 57mm tube in keeping original airbox and inlet from slam panel but now im thinking itb's make ones off an 1100cc cbr shouldnt take much just not sure on the fact they will take hot air in, any idea on a way around? If not itb what about a 1.4 throttle body?

Kam racing do lightweight pullies are they worth the £60?

Can you use bucket seats with a standard seatbelt? As my back certainly starts to hurt after a little

For all those neh sayers im happy playing with my 1.1 for 4 years until i can afford a big boy car

16th December 2014, 00:12

Have a read through this: http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=468322

Basically, it's utterly pointless. Dropping a 16v in would be the easiest and cheapest way to get a decent gain.

Modding a 1.1 is like........modding a 1.1! Waste of time.

16th December 2014, 00:27

Nope bigger displacement is just for guys with smaller

A 1.1 engine can be quick with a little work

16th December 2014, 00:40

Depending on how much you want to blow, check the For Sale sections on here when you are allowed (Member for 30 days and 100 posts)

Give it a good service, 4-2-1 Manifold, nice de-cat exhaust system (Supersprint, Magnex, Saxsport, Piper etc), enclosed induction kit. If you want to spend more then a livelier cam and a remap. Should put you at about VTR pace. Get some buckets (Which you can keep with standard seatbelts with some fiddling, but why not just go for harnesses?) and strip some weight out.

Don't forget the handling and braking side!

16th December 2014, 00:48

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Originally Posted by JamesR

Depending on how much you want to blow, check the For Sale sections on here when you are allowed (Member for 30 days and 100 posts)

Give it a good service, 4-2-1 Manifold, nice de-cat exhaust system (Supersprint, Magnex, Saxsport, Piper etc), enclosed induction kit. If you want to spend more then a livelier cam and a remap. Should put you at about VTR pace. Get some buckets (Which you can keep with standard seatbelts with some fiddling, but why not just go for harnesses?) and strip some weight out.

Don't forget the handling and breaking side!

Thank you

If you have a harness i was under the impretion harness was only really safe with a cage

Im going to source some conrods and lighten them up as well as some pistons and remove some excess weight then i might knife edge the crank, im not new to engine tuning, skim the block to 13.1 and retime the cams so they dont mate with the piston. Cams sounds good but not found any for a 1.1 wondering if vtr cams will be too radical or even any change

16th December 2014, 00:50

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Originally Posted by jackojeff

Thank you

If you have a harness i was under the impretion harness was only really safe with a cage

Im going to source some conrods and lighten them up as well as some pistons and remove some excess weight then i might knife edge the crank, im not new to engine tuning, skim the block to 13.1 and retime the cams so they dont mate with the piston. Cams sounds good but not found any for a 1.1 wondering if vtr cams will be too radical or even any change

Not really? They can be bolted into the rear seatbelt mounts just as securely as standard belts.

Good stuff, crack on but like I said don't forget the handling and braking side.

16th December 2014, 01:02

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Originally Posted by JamesR

Not really? They can be bolted into the rear seatbelt mounts just as securely as standard belts.

Good stuff, crack on but like I said don't forget the handling and braking side.

I wont im looking at vtr alloys with yoko tyres and some decent dampers

Is an omp top strut brace worth it? Im looking at better pads for the front and a rear disc brake conversion

More bike orientated so unsure on certain things mind me sounding stupid

16th December 2014, 02:04

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Originally Posted by jackojeff

For all those neh sayers im happy playing with my 1.1 for 4 years until i can afford a big boy car

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackojeff

Nope bigger displacement is just for guys with smaller

You're that guy in 4yrs then, ey.

16th December 2014, 10:23

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Originally Posted by jackojeff

Nope bigger displacement is just for guys with smaller

A 1.1 engine can be quick with a little work

It will be fast with a massive turbo bolted to it nothing else.

16th December 2014, 11:34

I for one would actually like to see someone complete a build of these "tuned" 1.1 engines, however in all the times I've seen it mentioned I cant actually recall seeing a running car yet save for the fabled turbo 1.1 106 some years ago and then thats really "cheating" as the engine internals were pretty much factory if I remember?

16th December 2014, 13:17

pointless, cheaper and easier to get a VT

16th December 2014, 13:45

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Originally Posted by Prickle

You're that guy in 4yrs then, ey.

Exactly, he's a hypocrite.

This topic comes up almost monthly, and it goes the usual way: OP has heart set on pouring money into 1.1, Saxp advises against it, OP gets upset and will do the mods 'no matter what', OP realises it's dumb and never goes through with it.

The end.

18th December 2014, 11:43

that about displacement was a joke, id have a 2.0 turbo now if i could but im a 21 year old student so its not going to happen and as i have the ability to tune the 1.1 why not?

okay i will make a build thread i dont need to pour money into it i just need a spare engine and a gasket kit the rest i can do myself engine wise, the pistons look like they have weight to loose along with the conrods. the conrods also have some nasty forging marks which will relieve stress points when removing meaning it can run at a slightly higher rpm with less chance of going bang.

i need to have a gander at a flywheel and the belt pullies might be worth milling the originals a little bit rather than buying lightweight ones.

obviously a "stage 1" gas flow can be done by myself but i know people who may be willing to do a professional gas flow on the cheap.

i wouldnt be thinking about it if i couldnt do the work myself as you all say it gets expensive, for me its just time consuming but i have 6 months of nothing so why the hell not?

18th December 2014, 11:58

You tune a car for better performance.
You start with a good base. A 1.1 isn't a good base. But have fun.

18th December 2014, 13:32

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Originally Posted by Gordzilla

You tune a car for better performance.
You start with a good base. A 1.1 isn't a good base. But have fun.

K cars are being modified, do you want to tell japan to stop?

18th December 2014, 15:03

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Originally Posted by jackojeff

K cars are being modified, do you want to tell japan to stop?

90% of kei cars have turbos...............

18th December 2014, 16:23

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Originally Posted by Dany4494

90% of kei cars have turbos...............

doesnt make the engine any bigger does it

18th December 2014, 16:26

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Originally Posted by jackojeff

doesnt make the engine any bigger does it

Put 500 quid in a kei car you might gain 30-40bhp, put 500 quid in a 1.1 saxo you might gain 5bhp and it will still be slower than eveything just pointless.

18th December 2014, 16:31

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Originally Posted by jackojeff

K cars are being modified, do you want to tell japan to stop?

They probably would listen to advice, unlike you. As I said, have fun modding your 1.1. That is a big part of why we mod cars, for the fun. Just a shame you won't get the performance side of it, askhole.

18th December 2014, 17:02

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Originally Posted by Dany4494

Put 500 quid in a kei car you might gain 30-40bhp, put 500 quid in a 1.1 saxo you might gain 5bhp and it will still be slower than eveything just pointless.

modding is pointless no matter what car or engine unless its being raced in a series its all pointless.

just wait to see the outcome before you all jump on the haters wagon

18th December 2014, 17:10

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Originally Posted by jackojeff

modding is pointless no matter what car or engine unless its being raced in a series its all pointless.

just wait to see the outcome before you all jump on the haters wagon

I've been there done that my 1.1 was shit at the time to be fair i thought it was rapid, moddings not pointless especially on a turbo car when cars are mapped you will usually get a much more usable powerband, and if you want a faster car mod it just start with something worth modding.

18th December 2014, 17:13

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Originally Posted by Jizanthapus

Exactly, he's a hypocrite.

This topic comes up almost monthly, and it goes the usual way: OP has heart set on pouring money into 1.1, Saxp advises against it, OP gets upset and will do the mods 'no matter what', OP realises it's dumb and never goes through with it.

The end.

soooo true...

just don't bother mate, you'll look like an utter dick to other road users, just to subtle mods. Don't bother spending £££ on shit.

but like i say to others, at the end of the day its your car, you do what you want with it. you'll have to put up with abuse and you'll find you won't get much help because its not worth it

18th December 2014, 17:29

I've never understood the hating. You could say it's pointless modding a VTS, when you could start with any number of 2.0 Turbo cars. If he wants to mess about with his 1.1 and throw cash at it then it's his decision, isn't the fun in modifying cars about taking something and making it better than what you started with and making it your own?

Food for thought, go for it from me mate

18th December 2014, 20:50

if it wasnt for people not tickering with engines there would be no improvements in them.

He could ticker away then suddenly fine away to make them use less fuel and run faster.

18th December 2014, 22:36

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Originally Posted by KaiWilson

if it wasnt for people not tickering with engines there would be no improvements in them.

He could ticker away then suddenly fine away to make them use less fuel and run faster.

i highly doubt that, he might find something different that none else has found but it would only just make it creep up to what a vts could do standard... In my opinion if they want to tinker why not start with a vts in the first place?

I've heard stranger things though

18th December 2014, 23:39

Im going for it as soon as april hits i will be taking an engine and doing the following

Individual throttle bodies probably 41mm
Diy gas flow
Lighten and balance piston
Lighten and balance conrod
Skim block to raise compression 13:1 is what we run race engines at but anything over 11 will be good.
Super finish valves
Lighten various other parts to reduce pumping losses
I need a way to do a custom fuel map along with custom ignition map but cheap
A decent exhaust system
Iridium plugs
Camshafts - will vtr be an upgrade?
Just need to look into the ignition system now see if i can improve spark
Think thats everything it will flow in better ignite better be expelled better and reduced pumping losses will result in more power at the wheels

If i strip the shell is there a way to dampen the noise? Nose dampening and marine grade carpet?

19th December 2014, 01:09

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Originally Posted by JamesR

I've never understood the hating. You could say it's pointless modding a VTS, when you could start with any number of 2.0 Turbo cars.

You could say that about 2.0 cars when you could mod a 2.5/3.0 turbo lol.

Best base really is the VTS/GTi. /end

or for some 8v fun, the S1 rallye etc.

19th December 2014, 10:23

tbh the gains you'll get from the engine will be minimal.

If you want a quicker car, make it go faster, stop quicker and handle better in other areas. Reducing weight is the number one performance improvement for the whole car - the car handles better, is more responsive, turns in better, stops better, accelerates faster... etc etc.

I'm all for modding what you have for the fun of it. But you're list above is potentially over £1000 of work. And a bone stock VTS is still going to tear past you everywhere. If you want a VTS beating car based on a 1.1, you should be looking at massive weight reduction and braking and suspension changes first IMO. Then point to point you'd surprise the VTS driver

19th December 2014, 10:28

+1 when you consider that I saw a an oem saxo vts on ebay last for £390.00 it's a no brainer.Admittedly it needed a bit of work but nothing major.

19th December 2014, 10:33

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Originally Posted by Ross

tbh the gains you'll get from the engine will be minimal.

If you want a quicker car, make it go faster, stop quicker and handle better in other areas. Reducing weight is the number one performance improvement for the whole car - the car handles better, is more responsive, turns in better, stops better, accelerates faster... etc etc.

I'm all for modding what you have for the fun of it. But you're list above is potentially over £1000 of work. And a bone stock VTS is still going to tear past you everywhere. If you want a VTS beating car based on a 1.1, you should be looking at massive weight reduction and braking and suspension changes first IMO. Then point to point you'd surprise the VTS driver

you do have a point about lightening the shell up, mine is a 5 door so im already thinking of getting a 3 door shell, anything major on the car that can be removed to make it lighter other than the spare wheel thats already gone

19th December 2014, 17:55

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Originally Posted by jackojeff

just wait to see the outcome before you all jump on the haters wagon

We ain't all haters. We've all seen it on 1.1 Saxo's and Pugs, then heard they've regretted it. If you have a lot of people advising you not to do it, then maybe you should start listening. You're not being different, it's been done. You're being stubborn. For the love of God, don't throw money at a 1.1 engine.

19th December 2014, 18:14

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Originally Posted by jackojeff

you do have a point about lightening the shell up, mine is a 5 door so im already thinking of getting a 3 door shell, anything major on the car that can be removed to make it lighter other than the spare wheel thats already gone

But if you're going to go through all the trouble of reshelling it, surely you'd just vts it? or buy a vts

20th December 2014, 12:44

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Originally Posted by Jizanthapus

But if you're going to go through all the trouble of reshelling it, surely you'd just vts it? or buy a vts

You'd fucking think, eh!!

20th December 2014, 13:00

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Originally Posted by Prickle

You could say that about 2.0 cars when you could mod a 2.5/3.0 turbo lol.

Best base really is the VTS/GTi. /end

or for some 8v fun, the S1 rallye etc.

Was going to say that, but I would of ended up going on and on and on lol

20th December 2014, 22:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackojeff

Im going for it as soon as april hits i will be taking an engine and doing the following

Individual throttle bodies probably 41mm
Diy gas flow
Lighten and balance piston
Lighten and balance conrod
Skim block to raise compression 13:1 is what we run race engines at but anything over 11 will be good.
Super finish valves
Lighten various other parts to reduce pumping losses
I need a way to do a custom fuel map along with custom ignition map but cheap
A decent exhaust system
Iridium plugs
Camshafts - will vtr be an upgrade?
Just need to look into the ignition system now see if i can improve spark
Think thats everything it will flow in better ignite better be expelled better and reduced pumping losses will result in more power at the wheels

If i strip the shell is there a way to dampen the noise? Nose dampening and marine grade carpet?

would probably go from 60hp to 90hp, if that.

so a VTR will still piss it.

why not start with a mk2 VTR? unless you're running to REG in a race series theres no point, i think a few years back there was a turbo 1.1 running around as part of a race club that was seriously quick, but for the same input of money you could have had a really insane VTS.

if you're insistent, strip it out, nice exhaust and induction and stick VT calipers and discs on the front. then it'll stop well and be a bit more responsive. maybe even stiffer shocks and springs on front and decent shocks on the rear. i garner a 1.1 with the same setup as my VTR had would be like glue in the corners, so you make up for the lack of speed

21st December 2014, 22:35

Just stick to spray painting/sticker bombing anything you can pry off with a screwdriver and save your money for a vtr/vts or a conversion.