Comparing camshafts TU5J4

1. Devil106 L-plater Joined: Feb 2004 Italy Posts: 41

   #1 3rd February 2015, 11:15

   Hi guys I'm deciding that camshafts take for 16v
   and am looking for more information as possible and more experience with maps from possibly think of all ...
   I am stuck at the comparison between 715-708 - 743-705
   as torque and horsepower rpm as are the comparisons ???
   thank you very much to all
2. Dave_P Established Member Joined: Dec 2010 Aberdeen Posts: 2129 Race: 106 Rallye 16v. Road: Mercedes Vito 120 CDI

   #2 3rd February 2015, 12:48

   743's is you need to know.
3. Devil106 L-plater Joined: Feb 2004 Italy Posts: 41

   #3 3rd February 2015, 12:54

   all technical values
   rolled
   torque and horsepower
   engine rpm
4. Dave_P Established Member Joined: Dec 2010 Aberdeen Posts: 2129 Race: 106 Rallye 16v. Road: Mercedes Vito 120 CDI

   #4 3rd February 2015, 13:09

   Www.catcams.com
5. Devil106 L-plater Joined: Feb 2004 Italy Posts: 41

   #5 3rd February 2015, 13:25

   I watched them.
   there are no horses or torque or engine rpm
6. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #6 3rd February 2015, 14:40

   no-one supplies that information for camshafts
7. Devil106 L-plater Joined: Feb 2004 Italy Posts: 41

   #7 3rd February 2015, 14:49

   users who have rolled on the test bench?
8. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

   #8 3rd February 2015, 16:03

   you cannot expect to get those type of figures without knowing EXACT spec of engine -exhaust manifold type + ex system ,type +size of t/bodies and inlet manifold head work ,valve sizes comp ratio +piston type and of course type of fuel
9. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #9 3rd February 2015, 17:10

   and then theres the variation in data from each rolling road as each is calibrated differently. You can get an idea, but it wont be official from the manufacturer. It would be a legal minefield if there was a guarantee on power.
   
   Decide what the car is going to be used for. A camshaft supplier can then advise the right one for your car. Usually the main limiting factor is how many modifications and how much you are prepared to spend to make the camshaft work.
10. Devil106 L-plater Joined: Feb 2004 Italy Posts: 41

    #10 4th February 2015, 07:41

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by axsaxoman you cannot expect to get those type of figures without knowing EXACT spec of engine -exhaust manifold type + ex system ,type +size of t/bodies and inlet manifold head work ,valve sizes comp ratio +piston type and of course type of fuel

    standard configuration of most of the preparations:
    head c2 / 206
    butterfly 54mm
    60mm exhaust
    saxo Intake cup
    pistons and connecting rods with niches valve c2 / 206
11. Nimix Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2015 Naestved, Denmark Posts: 281 ex-Blue 106 Rallye 1.6 '97 Black 106 Gti '99

    #11 4th February 2015, 07:59

    Got mine mapped last night, check my blog
12. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

    #12 4th February 2015, 08:08

    std ex manifold and has a cat fitted?
    
    no throttle bodies
    only doing half a job
13. Devil106 L-plater Joined: Feb 2004 Italy Posts: 41

    #13 4th February 2015, 08:11

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nimix Got mine mapped last night, check my blog

    put the link
14. Devil106 L-plater Joined: Feb 2004 Italy Posts: 41

    #14 4th February 2015, 08:13

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by axsaxoman std ex manifold and has a cat fitted? no throttle bodies only doing half a job

    exhaust manifolds 4-2-1
    everything else original
    except a map unit made on test bench
15. Nimix Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2015 Naestved, Denmark Posts: 281 ex-Blue 106 Rallye 1.6 '97 Black 106 Gti '99

    #15 4th February 2015, 08:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Devil106 put the link

    If you can't even be bothered too look in the progress section, i see no point wasting my time here
16. Devil106 L-plater Joined: Feb 2004 Italy Posts: 41

    #16 4th February 2015, 09:12

    what mechanical changes have?
17. Devil106 L-plater Joined: Feb 2004 Italy Posts: 41

    #17 4th February 2015, 09:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Devil106 what mechanical changes have?

    found
    4-2-1 manifold, 2" decat, cup intake and 743 cams
    
    you did before
    155,8nm at 5292rpm
    139,5hk at 7341rpm
    
    after the map
    173,0nm at 5192rpm
    158,3hk at 7323rpm
    
    very good to have only those changes
18. Nimix Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2015 Naestved, Denmark Posts: 281 ex-Blue 106 Rallye 1.6 '97 Black 106 Gti '99

    #18 4th February 2015, 10:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Devil106 found 4-2-1 manifold, 2" decat, cup intake and 743 cams you did before 155,8nm at 5292rpm 139,5hk at 7341rpm after the map 173,0nm at 5192rpm 158,3hk at 7323rpm very good to have only those changes

    There you have it.
    If you can find someone with roughly the same changes but with different cams, then you can compare those.
    But i doubt you'll find much better cams than 743 with stock lifters.
    
    The deal with 715 is that you can use those without a remap, where 743 is only giving you half the potential until you get it mapped.
19. Devil106 L-plater Joined: Feb 2004 Italy Posts: 41

    #19 4th February 2015, 10:08

    715 are bad. have more time.
    I would like to see some rolled on the bench with those cams
20. Dave_P Established Member Joined: Dec 2010 Aberdeen Posts: 2129 Race: 106 Rallye 16v. Road: Mercedes Vito 120 CDI

    #20 4th February 2015, 11:24

    715's will still peak above the std rev limit so a remap would be required.
21. Devil106 L-plater Joined: Feb 2004 Italy Posts: 41

    #21 4th February 2015, 12:26

    the remap is done and how. it always does.
    other users who have other cams and have their say?
    maybe putting their bench tests.
22. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

    #22 5th February 2015, 13:16

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nimix If you can't even be bothered too look in the progress section, i see no point wasting my time here

    or our time for that matter --if you can,t be bothered --then think that sums up how good a conversion you would do
    you are wanting simple answer to a question that is not simple as everyhting you alter will have bearing on the results
23. Devil106 L-plater Joined: Feb 2004 Italy Posts: 41

    #23 5th February 2015, 14:46

    other users? other cams?
24. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #24 5th February 2015, 15:14

    what is your car used for? What modifications are you prepared to do?
    The 1321705 camshaft is going to see you with 5-6 bhp max. Its mild enough to not need a remap so gains are small. Maybe 5bhp is exaggerating. No-one buys this mild a camshaft upgrade that often as financially its not reqarding enough
    Cat Cams 1321715 - its been a while since I saw any cars with this on the rolling road as I export most of my Cat Cams but I think it will need pocketed pistons and throttlebodies to get it to idle.
    Cat Cams 1321708 - Discontinued - you cannot buy it new. Like the 1321743 but makes a little less power.
    1321743 Camshafts - About the limit you can get in a standard head and standard bottom end. Good power gains, good idle, emissions and once mapped significantly faster than the standard car. Theres a reason its the most popular camshaft I sell!
    
    dave said it in five words - he was right lol
25. Devil106 L-plater Joined: Feb 2004 Italy Posts: 41

    #25 5th February 2015, 15:19

    I wanted to make these changes
    
    head c2 / 206 with large valves
    butterfly 54mm
    60mm exhaust
    saxo Intake cup
    pistons and connecting rods with niches valve c2 / 206
    map unit
    
    with the cams listed what do I get?
26. Nimix Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2015 Naestved, Denmark Posts: 281 ex-Blue 106 Rallye 1.6 '97 Black 106 Gti '99

    #26 5th February 2015, 21:57

    Holes in your pocket.
    What goal are you aiming at?
    Track, road, daily driver?

    1 user thanked this post: sexysaxo_dan
27. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #27 6th February 2015, 09:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Devil106 I wanted to make these changes head c2 / 206 with large valves butterfly 54mm 60mm exhaust saxo Intake cup pistons and connecting rods with niches valve c2 / 206 map unit with the cams listed what do I get?

    none of them.
    
    You should fit the 1322705 which is the same cam profile as the 1321743 but with the correct spacing for the wider valves. You then need to change your springs to either aftermarket uprated ones or OEM Saxo VTS ones