ITB's what to choose

14th February 2015, 20:47

Been looking around for a complete kit and there are several available.
Are there any difference between them?

Looking at Spoox, Pug1off, Dbilas and Kamracing.
Prices are roughly the same, depending on how much work has to be done in order to fit them

15th February 2015, 18:27

No one?

16th February 2015, 14:02

maybe you would get an answer if you saud what sort of engine it is
the AT power bodies were designed by me in conjunction with AT ,if its 16v engine
8v the choices are much less due to less people wanting to do it

16th February 2015, 14:37

Sorry, it's the 16v J4

16th February 2015, 14:55

I wouldn't go at from what I have seen of comparative tests against bike bodies.

16th February 2015, 16:00

I might be able to give some advice tomorrow. I'm waiting however on a dyno test!

17th February 2015, 15:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by welshpug

I wouldn't go at from what I have seen of comparative tests against bike bodies.

i would doubt seriously that the comparative tests as you call them were any where like a direct back to back test where engine is EXACTLY the same
and if its not then its not a valid comparison
the cable run on bike bosies is terrible -un;ess you make a new quadrant then its not right cos its not meant for a peddle but a TWIST GRIP
and then of course they will be s/h as will the sensor and the injectors probably at leat 12 years old --
th man aked for a simple solution that is not
and fitting filters to them is a joke -- socks which are rubbish at best of times the only bit that filters is the end bit -- no not a direct comparison on many levels

17th February 2015, 19:13

what you have described is totally different to my experience of a bike throttle body arrangement.

17th February 2015, 20:39

I initially had a switch like throttle on my GSXR1000 bodies on my old engine, Mr Satchell sorted that out with a new quadrant.

17th February 2015, 20:46

I'm sure I've read that sandy brown is working with a company to produce something?

19th February 2015, 15:07

and if he can then fit it on the other end so the cable run is not so tight that will be bettter --but hardly an off the shelf solution

21st February 2015, 09:52

Sure carbs is a posibility, but if i'm doing the conversion i might aswell go all the way.

Yes i am looking for the most easy mounting of the itb's in question.
Iv'e spoken with some of the sellers and it seems it's virtually plug n' play, just need to get the ecu mapped and then it's good too go, so no need to get an aftermarked one.

My question is still, what is the difference of the itb's available?

21st February 2015, 09:58

Just to make it plain John, the only reason you are not listed is because your company wont ship to Denmark

21st February 2015, 10:44

After having the AT kit, we thought it was an great easy fit - granted a little fiddly in places and iirc only one wire had to be extended.. was a couple of years ago now.
No fabrications or manifolds were needed and it seemed well engineered.

I just can't see why people are interested in them now. The power wasn't mind blowing despite the noise being superb. I guess its a sort of middle ground tuning option without throwing thousands on forced induction.

21st February 2015, 11:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by sri_130

After having the AT kit, we thought it was an great easy fit - granted a little fiddly in places and iirc only one wire had to be extended.. was a couple of years ago now.
No fabrications or manifolds were needed and it seemed well engineered.

I just can't see why people are interested in them now. The power wasn't mind blowing despite the noise being superb. I guess its a sort of middle ground tuning option without throwing thousands on forced induction.

Currently running 158hp with 743's so the next step is itb's as i'm not willing to blow the extra money on a turbo conversion.

Turbomanifold and ecu alone is about the same price as a full itb set

21st February 2015, 14:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by sri_130

I just can't see why people are interested in them now.

expensive and don't make as much power or torque as a well thought out bike body or jenvey TB setup.

21st February 2015, 23:26

Let me get this straight, the only thing left for me to do is get the head done then thats it, unless i want to make a turbo conversion?

22nd February 2015, 15:28

GSXR bodies done correctly are a big step up from the typical aftermarket offerings John, the back to back mid range improvement of our substantially developed kits over the off the shelf Jenvey and ATP kits has been proven over and over, let alone the long term reliability of the linkages and ease of installation. There are of course advantages to each, but there are very solid reasons of performance, durability and driveability that made me stick with them, when I have all the options available to me at similar cost prices. I never made a penny on them, it was always about getting the outcome I wanted and the kits have now been discontinued, except for the occasional one off for my engines until the next solution becomes available.

I've been working with Titan on a bespoke JP4 kit, made to suit my engines. It's a much tighter fit than their J4 kit and dearer than other options, but the quality of their manufacturing is of the highest order. Their trumpet profiles work with my way of doing things too, unlike most others. A few details have yet to be finalised, but we tested the prototype kit last week on a high spec engine and they matched the peak figures back to back with our GSXR race kit, producing a slightly different curve. Titan oversaw the whole experiment and the engine dyno figures we recorded are fully calibrated and corrected stabilised steady state, no spike readings or rolling road estimates.

22nd February 2015, 18:48

Cheers Sandy.
What kind of money are we talking about to fit those?

23rd February 2015, 05:55

The kit isn't finalised yet and hence the price isn't either. It will be available from all the Titan retailers, I've only done the development for my own needs, it won't be exclusive to me.

23rd February 2015, 07:46

interesting sandy
i think on the other side that you dedcidng to go away from the bike bodies --sort of agrees with what i,m saying
length of trumpets is always going to be a problem with space available as is getting an air filter

i never have claimed that the AT/gmc will be the ideal for a 200+race car ,was never designed fro that --but it is the perfect easy to fit system that will give very good all round preformance for a road car

maxi have had from them is 210 --and you could see that they were them starting to hold things back --but the mid range and low response is far better than jenveys +from my experince of m/c ones i have seen --meant as a simple to fit fast road conversion that uses all std components inc tps +throttle cable+ fuelrail +FPR +fuel lines
not full race ulitmate power

15th May 2015, 20:26

What about a GSXR setup?
A friend of mine said it should be posible to get running for 2-300.

The problem is that the only info i can find of this, is the old Sandy/Colin setup that they don't make any more.

Can someone point me in a direction where i can read some more about what's needed?

18th May 2015, 07:23

yes but then you need a manifold -so that wil be the hard bit --
start fabricating if you want to use m/c bodies

18th May 2015, 09:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by axsaxoman

yes but then you need a manifold -so that wil be the hard bit --
start fabricating if you want to use m/c bodies

Thanks John.
So i need the itb's - to be bought used
Manifold - can be made with some welding skills (got a friend who made his own turbo mani)
Vacuum hoses - can be bought with t-hoses
Throttle wheel (not sure of the correct name) - can the original be used to avoid an ultra short throttle ?

I'm going to run a pred with the above, anything else i've forgotten?
I would love to read up on this, but the info is completly scattered around the forum and most threads are just people saying "search"

18th May 2015, 19:50

the word you're looking for is a quadrant I believe, Colin might be able to supply one.

I don't think you will get a predator any more, he's not making them, I'd go DTA, very well supported product and does the job very well.

18th May 2015, 20:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by welshpug

the word you're looking for is a quadrant I believe, Colin might be able to supply one.

I don't think you will get a predator any more, he's not making them, I'd go DTA, very well supported product and does the job very well.

I'll see what i can find, thanks

I found a second hand pred with cable, basemap and registered software.
Hopely we get the postage sorted soon, so i can receive it by the end of the week

21st May 2015, 07:49

yes you want to change quadrantor it will like switch --has to be variable rate on motorcycle cos its twist grip--but work crap on car
i don,t like the short cable makes it hard to get a ncie smooth run -far better if ti could be moved to other end

21st May 2015, 13:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by welshpug

the word you're looking for is a quadrant I believe, Colin might be able to supply one.

I don't think you will get a predator any more, he's not making them, I'd go DTA, very well supported product and does the job very well.

I know the chap that is the UK distributor for DTA. I can put you in touch if required. Just message me on here.

No messers, else I'll get an ear bashing. Please and thank you!

21st May 2015, 20:38

you know Alex?

22nd May 2015, 05:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by welshpug

you know Alex?

Not particularly well, but certainly well enough to make introductions between a potential customer and supplier.

23rd May 2015, 17:22

Looking for race car parts!
full poly bush kit, new suspension, rear beam, roll cage, bucket seats, harnesses, it is a pocket rocket and can't wait to have it on the road, done alot of grinding in order to bring the weight down. gonna have to get it on the corner weights. I am an motorsport engineering graduate.

I am hoping to be alot lower than the standard weight, taking the sunroof out, gonna put a roof scoop in haha.

The engine is cammed with a unlocked ecu, four branch heat wrapped exhaust, twin cooling fan set up.

Oil cooler, with thermostat to open at 80 degrees. new thermostat engine oil and gearbox oil, might put a new radiator on it!

Will be hoping to buy alot of parts, will even buy another car as a donar if i have too

Got alot of pictures to load up and show you guys, will be adding more, the doors have been butchered, needs welding on the rear, hoping to try and find some more power by changing injectors perhaps, has had new coil and plugs now. I could talk all day about it!

Want oil temp gauge kit, oil pressure, fuel pressure, coolant temp, exhaust and inlet temps, I am able minded and I am doing all the work myself, I live in Crewe and drove back from near London to bring my 106 gti home, the car is fun to drive!!

Post up pics of any links to parts and stuff, it is going to be a track car, looking forward to under taking much faster cars on the bends, it needs a full aero package aswell, a flat floor under the car would make a huge difference, don't too interested in a rear spoiler but a diffusser would be great!

Got cash to spend aswell which is always handy! Got subframes for the buckets sorted, I do have some buckets but I would like to change them.

If anyone knows any really good handling mods or easy ways to free more power please help me.

I live in Crewe, but currently have a job in Northampton at Mahle

23rd May 2015, 18:13

If your after a set of some hi spec 4 pot capliers with some CL rc6 pads pm, I have a few other bits too based in Peterborough area.

25th May 2015, 07:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by 106GTIjim

Looking for race car parts!
full poly bush kit, new suspension, rear beam, roll cage, bucket seats, harnesses, it is a pocket rocket and can't wait to have it on the road, done alot of grinding in order to bring the weight down. gonna have to get it on the corner weights. I am an motorsport engineering graduate.

I am hoping to be alot lower than the standard weight, taking the sunroof out, gonna put a roof scoop in haha.

The engine is cammed with a unlocked ecu, four branch heat wrapped exhaust, twin cooling fan set up.

Oil cooler, with thermostat to open at 80 degrees. new thermostat engine oil and gearbox oil, might put a new radiator on it!

Will be hoping to buy alot of parts, will even buy another car as a donar if i have too

Got alot of pictures to load up and show you guys, will be adding more, the doors have been butchered, needs welding on the rear, hoping to try and find some more power by changing injectors perhaps, has had new coil and plugs now. I could talk all day about it!

Want oil temp gauge kit, oil pressure, fuel pressure, coolant temp, exhaust and inlet temps, I am able minded and I am doing all the work myself, I live in Crewe and drove back from near London to bring my 106 gti home, the car is fun to drive!!

Post up pics of any links to parts and stuff, it is going to be a track car, looking forward to under taking much faster cars on the bends, it needs a full aero package aswell, a flat floor under the car would make a huge difference, don't too interested in a rear spoiler but a diffusser would be great!

Got cash to spend aswell which is always handy! Got subframes for the buckets sorted, I do have some buckets but I would like to change them.

If anyone knows any really good handling mods or easy ways to free more power please help me.

I live in Crewe, but currently have a job in Northampton at Mahle

i would sugest you tlak to me before spending on anything when you have clear idea of whta you intend to do -- lots of options and you want parts that work well together not just a lot of various bits that don,t compliment each other