bigger tyres on the same rim

  1. Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Surrey Posts: 275 '57 Vauxhall Vectra CDTI - Daily '02 Saxo VTS - Tu
    #1
    Hey guys,

    I have in my possession a set of 195/45/16's (i think, might be 40's or 50's? i'm at work, they aren't in front of me!!)

    i know most guys go 15", but as i say i already have these at home...

    three questions really,
    1. will it look ridiculous? came with spacers, wider wheels ftw

    2. will it drive ok? a mate had a pd golf and put the 18" r32 alloys on and it totally transformed the ride, it was not comfortable AT ALL, i found it hard to justify being that harsh for a road car... a week later the standard alloys went back on

    3. what would happen if i put 205's on instead of 195's? will it work? will i benefit from the extra contact on the road or would it just drag and scrub and be awful? too wide for the alloy to take corners at any reasonable speeds?


    I said i'd have them as more rubber on the road is always a good thing, but saxo's with 16's on usually look ridiculous. I'll add they're not terrible looking alloys (5 spokes), but they're not exactly show stoppers. i know about the trade off acceleration/speed, the rolling radius's are about an inch apart.
    stack one on top of a standard 14" vtr alloy they look the same, measured them and they are not.

    What do you guys think? As i say i know the general consensus is 15's, what am i compromising/gaining from having 16's?
  2. Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2013 West Midlands Posts: 241 1979 Honda Civic 2003 Citroen Saxo VTR
    #2
    I had 195/50/15s Pirelli p6000 on and they rubbed terribly on more than 3/4 lock, put some 195/45/15 on and no issues at all and grips like fcuk


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  3. Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Surrey Posts: 275 '57 Vauxhall Vectra CDTI - Daily '02 Saxo VTS - Tu
    #3
    So... If 195 45 15s just about fit, 195 45 16s don't have a chance in hell of fitting properly? They were on another Saxo before, how it drove I don't know.
    And no way 205s will fit with standard arches? They don't have to be, but it will seeing some track time next year with any luck, more rubbers always good.

    Anyoone successfully got 16s on, better yet 205/xx/16s, and any pictures?

    Thanks guys
  4. Established Member Joined: Jun 2013 York Posts: 2134 Citroen Saxo VTR (2001)
    #4
    With regards to fitting wider tyres, you need tell us more about the rim rather than just the tyre.
    What j is the rim?


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  5. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
    #5
    J does not refer to the Width.
  6. Established Member Joined: Jun 2013 York Posts: 2134 Citroen Saxo VTR (2001)
    #6
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by welshpug View Post
    J does not refer to the Width.

    Yes I know J refers to the bead profile blah blah. It's normally just used to refer to width and I was being lazy!
    What width is the rim then?


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  7. Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Surrey Posts: 275 '57 Vauxhall Vectra CDTI - Daily '02 Saxo VTS - Tu
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    16x7 JJ is stamped on the inside.
  8. Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Surrey Posts: 275 '57 Vauxhall Vectra CDTI - Daily '02 Saxo VTS - Tu
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    Also, difference between j and jj?
    Sorry for my ignorance but you dont know if you dont ask!!
  9. L-plater Joined: Aug 2015 Kent Posts: 49 Saxo 1.1i Forte 2000
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  10. Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Surrey Posts: 275 '57 Vauxhall Vectra CDTI - Daily '02 Saxo VTS - Tu
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    Right just double checked, they are 195 45, the spacers look 20mm.
    Where would i find the offset, or is this something i have to measure?
  11. L-plater Joined: Aug 2015 Kent Posts: 49 Saxo 1.1i Forte 2000
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  12. Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Surrey Posts: 275 '57 Vauxhall Vectra CDTI - Daily '02 Saxo VTS - Tu
    #12
    dude, there's fuck all else on the back of the alloy.
    there's some weird shape sort of like 3 # in a row followed by an 8

    as i say, nothing at all on the front
    on the back:

    the jj stamp
    an E
    there's nothing whatsoever about ET

    I did mention like 3 times it has 20mm spacers and i wasnt home to check everything, when i got back i posted all the info on the alloy i could see.

    I don't appreciate being called an idiot, alloys aren't my thing and i've never dealt with them before, so what?
    I understand the principles, all i asked was how it would be illustrated on the actual alloy and you have to get all condescending? I was asking for help, not to be patronised.
    I've obviously had a look on the wheel or i wouldn't have asked, if it had ET## anywhere, would i not have posted it with the rest of the information about the alloy rather than carrying on this now redundant thread?

    AS STATED they were on a flat arch before, i just wanted to know if anyone had put 16's on before and could tell me what the ride will be like and whether anyone had successfully got 205's on there or whether they were too big. Thus, i was after a 'yes' or a 'no' similar to the first response, born from experience or trial and error as opposed to a snooty response from a fucking keyboard warrior.

    Good day.
  13. Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2013 West Midlands Posts: 241 1979 Honda Civic 2003 Citroen Saxo VTR
    #13
    On some alloys they are next to the bolt holes if this helps buddy? Sometimes they get coated in shite


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  14. Saxperience Addict Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 11714 A6 Le Mans tuned/A3 TFSI tuned
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by smokeandpoke View Post
    trial and error as opposed to a snooty response from a fucking keyboard warrior.
    lol, tyres keep you on the road. Trial, you're tinkering out of recommended spec and it will drive like a donkey, error you lose grip and crash.

    Yes 16"s are too big, and that would be because they don't fit.
  15. Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Surrey Posts: 275 '57 Vauxhall Vectra CDTI - Daily '02 Saxo VTS - Tu
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by M_Rust View Post
    On some alloys they are next to the bolt holes if this helps buddy? Sometimes they get coated in shite


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    EXACTLY the type of friendly, non hostile response i was looking for.
    they are very dirty having been used on a saxo before
    the bits i could see and posted about had like oval indents with the writing in.
    I guess i'll jetwash one down when i get back from work.
    As i say, i've never had to deal with alloys, anything with alloys on came with the sale. Will it literally appear like 'ET##' ?

    Cheers rust
  16. Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2013 West Midlands Posts: 241 1979 Honda Civic 2003 Citroen Saxo VTR
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    From what I remember yes buddy


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  17. Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Surrey Posts: 275 '57 Vauxhall Vectra CDTI - Daily '02 Saxo VTS - Tu
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Manu View Post
    lol, tyres keep you on the road. Trial, you're tinkering out of recommended spec and it will drive like a donkey, error you lose grip and crash.

    Yes 16"s are too big, and that would be because they don't fit.
    Wouldn't be my trial or my error, which is why i asked first....
    Just tell me exactly how am i supposed to know these things without asking?
    All i wanted to know was whether they would fit and drive ok, and everyone jumps on the bandwagon 'you're an idiot rehrehreh'
    so i guess i should apologise for not knowing the calculations to work out if something will fit? which brings me back to my previous point, how would i ever know if i have never been told and been through it theoretically, never been in a situation to apply it practically and never asked anyone to explain it KINDLY?
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