Predator ECU & Remapping

23rd May 2016, 14:28

We have a 3-plug Predator ecu for our VTS that we want to get remapped but we can't find anywhere who can remap it. Seems no one wants to touch it.

Any help with who can remap them, or what we should do?
It's a 2001 VTS with a 3-plug ecu.

23rd May 2016, 15:25

It's just a Megasquirt MS2 (Or MS2+?).

Chipwizards on here can do it afaik.

23rd May 2016, 20:48

Just stick the standard ECU back on and get that mapped.

Megasquirt sagas have never been enjoyable for me.

If you really wanna keep the MS, Ben Trossle might do it for you, he's got more time and patience than I have for such things.

:-)

28th May 2016, 16:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by boylin

We have a 3-plug Predator ecu for our VTS that we want to get remapped but we can't find anywhere who can remap it. Seems no one wants to touch it.

Any help with who can remap them, or what we should do?
It's a 2001 VTS with a 3-plug ecu.

You could try Aldon Automotive only down the road from you.

4th June 2016, 20:11

Do they still sell these ECUs?

I've just bought bike bodies and plan on cams and ecu next, this ecu seems the best as its plug n play?

4th June 2016, 20:37

Nope he's stopped making them mate.

4th June 2016, 21:09

Fuck sake

Second hand will be impossible too

6th June 2016, 06:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidKent

Fuck sake

Second hand will be impossible too

They're sometimes on the Facebook group pages.

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6th June 2016, 10:36

If you're running the stock ECU, Chipwizards on here can sort them out to run boost or TB's afaik.

6th June 2016, 13:47

That's interesting to know - running standard will be cheaper and I'm happy enough to do that if I can still get the most or atleast close to that out of it.. Just not too convinced I will.

Think I'll contact them

Thanks

6th June 2016, 14:08

Perhaps the scores of championship wins using stock ECUs will convince you?

6th June 2016, 17:10

As much as I like the idea of aftermarket, if the gains are so small I don't fancy spending a grand for an extra bit of go if the standard will do as good a job.

What do you think you can do with a standard single plug for me?

6th June 2016, 23:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidKent

What do you think you can do with a standard single plug for me?

Whatever you want.

I don't think I can do it, I know I can, because I've done quite a few over the last fifteen years.

Turbo, Supercharger, throttle bodies, cams. I can do launch too but you need to fit a rear wheel speed sensor for it to work.

7th June 2016, 08:00

Perhaps standard is the way to go from a cost perspective then!

Where are you based?

It won't be boosted or charged just the bike bodies that are sat on my front room floor, and some cams..

Thanks

7th June 2016, 09:52

Standard is the way to go from every perspective, unless you want things like traction control, ECU based data logging etc.

Based in Warrington at the moment, but hopefully I'll be in my new building in Rawtenstall in a few months.

7th June 2016, 13:26

Miles from me, wonder if it'll drive that far wth cams and bodies as standard? Lol

7th June 2016, 22:11

Nope.
You'd get away with cams, but definitely not bodies.

8th June 2016, 08:06

Man that's a problem...
I'll have to come up with something

8th June 2016, 11:41

yeah, trailer or transporter truck, or drive it there on standard inlet then fit bodies map and drive home going bwwaaaarp.

done that myself.

8th June 2016, 19:10

Fit the bodies there?

I'd be shitting a brick - no idea what to do with them as it is!

8th June 2016, 23:20

One consolation, there's a train station just around the corner. :-)

9th June 2016, 07:19

My car won't fit in my back pack though

12th June 2016, 09:26

you bolt them on, then let the mapper do the rest, thats what you pay them for...

if you can get them balanced, set the throttle stops, adjust and set up the tps, make sure the bodies open to full throttle as well, then you'll save a bit of his time.

12th June 2016, 19:21

I can't see any obvious way to even attach the throttle cable - unless I'm just stupid lol

12th June 2016, 22:44

That's one of the nice things with the AT ones, they fit straight on with no issues beyond being a bit fiddly due to lack of room and fat fingers.

The bike stuff you often need to make a quadrant that is the right dimensions to work with your pedal travel, cable retainers etc.

13th June 2016, 18:07

Jesus nobody tells you that when you start getting the kit together haha

It'll be an interesting journey I think!

13th June 2016, 22:28

I've been advised by a few to go down the standard route, if I do end up in the money pit that's caused by itb's. I'd feel the need to have launch control/hard cut limiter mapped in, we've all got an inner child!

14th June 2016, 08:15

Hell yeah I'm 27 outside and about 9 inside haha

14th June 2016, 08:16

Also can't count, I'm 26 haha

14th June 2016, 09:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidKent

Jesus nobody tells you that when you start getting the kit together haha

It'll be an interesting journey I think!

If you don't change it your throttle will be like an on/off switch.

Every time I see chipwizards posting I wish I lived in England.

14th June 2016, 13:25

Not sure where to start with that but I'm sure someone's done it - unless it's already done on my kit, maybe I'll get some pics up...on off switch sounds fun for 5 minutes then tedious haha

15th June 2016, 12:38

You can have launch with stock ECU, but you need to fit a rear wheel speed sensor to trigger the exit speed to deactivate the launch limiting.

You do all realise that it knocks shit out of the gearbox too don't you?

15th June 2016, 13:08

Gearboxes aren't notoriously great as it is!

My main concern when they're fitted will be getting it all working ready to be mapped...
This throttle thing worries me

15th June 2016, 13:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chipwizards

That's one of the nice things with the AT ones, they fit straight on with no issues beyond being a bit fiddly due to lack of room and fat fingers.

The bike stuff you often need to make a quadrant that is the right dimensions to work with your pedal travel, cable retainers etc.

and extending the tps?, i think it was. I swore many times. like fitting a satch.
never again.

15th June 2016, 13:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by sri_130

and extending the tps?, i think it was. I swore many times. like fitting a satch.
never again.

It is only three wires...

15th June 2016, 13:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chipwizards

That's one of the nice things with the AT ones, they fit straight on with no issues beyond being a bit fiddly due to lack of room and fat fingers.

The bike stuff you often need to make a quadrant that is the right dimensions to work with your pedal travel, cable retainers etc.

apart from they don't give full throttle as standard and don't perform as well as a bike body (yes dyno proven, no I can't remember where the results were posted )

quadrant is not hard, Colin Satchell has made several that work very nicely.

15th June 2016, 20:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chipwizards

It is only three wires...

I have feet as hands.

21st June 2016, 19:50

if your struggling I can send a base map to you for what ever mods until you get it to a dyno?

21st June 2016, 20:44

Couldn't find one anywhere
In the end I bought an old M-tech V4 with a loom for a single plug 106 GTi,
I'll still need a map of sorts to get it running, but figured I'd give it a go as the price seemed fair.

All I'll hopefully have to do is connect my TPS which in theory is easy it's just knowing what cable to connect where of the three, and make a quadrant.

No idea where to start with either, I *Think* I have 5SL r6 bodies but can't find the matching part number anywhere

21st June 2016, 23:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by welshpug

apart from they don't give full throttle as standard and don't perform as well as a bike body (yes dyno proven, no I can't remember where the results were posted )

quadrant is not hard, Colin Satchell has made several that work very nicely.

The AT ones do give full throttle if you are patient enough to set the linkage up properly, that's mainly what I was referring to when I said they were fiddly. Bits of the linkage are VERY close to other bits of the assembly when they are working right.

As for power I'd have to test them myself back-to-back on the same engine to believe any numbers, there are too many other variables that affect overall performance and most people who post numbers have an axe to grind one way or the other.

None of them give as much torque as the plastic intake anyway, at least not without canting the engine forwards to get enough intake length in the space available.... :-)

22nd June 2016, 08:47

as wayne says longer indcution is the key to better torque --which was why i used to get 90degree carbon trumpets made for my jenvey ST vts set up along with a plenim chamber -- but was too expensive for most -- that was when AT and i got together to design +make the DTH bodies for the vts engine , as the next best plug +play solution at a reasonable price . sold in one piece and not the "krypton factor" job of building up the jenveys ,which did and still have terrible inter links +adjusters
there was never a big enough market to go to the lengths of a cast alloy 180degree piped plenim chamber,in such a price sensitive market as the saxo
--It was and is still the best solution to provide torque with remote air filter and for full race could have holes for a second row of injectors for the high rpms

I sold 20 of my bent trumpet /plenim kits --mostly to germany
and over 100 AT kits --until my solus agreement with AT ran out
-

22nd June 2016, 10:46

I don't use a linkage with my Jenveys, direct pull with a simple cable bracket, a nice £80 saving.

23rd June 2016, 13:51

That's interesting, one of you saying bike bodies give better performance - wonder what I'll see then.

Quadrant doesn't actually look as hard as I though, just unbolt the original and replace with something of the right size...

I think I have R6 bodies, they're certainly 5SL atleast anyway.

Only thing is, they have a piper cross foam filter on them, I'd far sooner have trumpets.

How do I go about deciding lengths and width and so on?

23rd June 2016, 14:17

speak to someone experienced in building bike body setups.

good ones that is.

give satchell engineering a shout, they can supply trumpets and possibly a quadrant too.

23rd June 2016, 14:27

I have a single plug predator ECU I could sell

23rd June 2016, 19:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidKent

That's interesting, one of you saying bike bodies give better performance - wonder what I'll see then.

Quadrant doesn't actually look as hard as I though, just unbolt the original and replace with something of the right size...

I think I have R6 bodies, they're certainly 5SL atleast anyway.

Only thing is, they have a piper cross foam filter on them, I'd far sooner have trumpets.

How do I go about deciding lengths and width and so on?

Unless you have a very serious motor and expect to run 9k+ rpm you actually can't make the intake too long because there isn't the room, so make it as long as you have room.

Do your absolute best to get cold air into it, warm air is so much less dense than cold air it's the same as having a smaller engine because the pumped air mass is less.

As John said, it's better to put a bend in the intake to get the length and box them in and pull cold, filtered air from somewhere else rather than warm, stagnant and probably dirty air from behind the engine.

It's no great wonder that the stock intake performs better overall with it's longer included length and ease of drawing cold, clean air.....

25th June 2016, 11:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hpi_matrix

I have a single plug predator ECU I could sell

That's annoying, how much you asking?

28th June 2016, 15:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidKent

That's annoying, how much you asking?

£350? Note sure what there worth tbh

28th June 2016, 16:15

What's it mapped for out of interest?

Perhaps someone here can suggest what I could be worth?

I'd be semi tempted to re sell my M tech ecu and loom if it was worth I while

29th June 2016, 11:31

it wont be any better than the Mtech ecu, they're both repackaged Megasquirts, at least the Mtech has some form of support.

29th June 2016, 13:12

That's true... Can't find much rating on the Mtech though

29th June 2016, 13:13

And also, satchell don't do bike body stuff anymore

29th June 2016, 16:29

speak to Colin or Dave, he might have a few bits left.

29th June 2016, 16:32

Where can I find those two? Are they satchell guys?

It was Tony I spoke to via Facebook messenger lol

Thanks

30th June 2016, 13:44

yeah colin is mr satchell, dave works for colin.

30th June 2016, 13:51

Ideal I'll call them I think

Thanks

30th June 2016, 14:31

Tony is a good friend, Colin did most of his chassis work on the 205 maxi, front end is amlost identical to colins hillclimber.

Tony did a lot of colins bodywork sourcing.

30th June 2016, 14:35

Quality

They don't seem to have a phone number annoyingly