Race oil

7th June 2016, 12:13

Does anyone use this?
My weird friend Craig said a magazine feature found 15 bhp from swapping oil.

7th June 2016, 14:35

bollocks --stick with std spec oil --if there was that much bhp to be had --eg more effiecency the car makers would do it

7th June 2016, 19:39

Seems legit

7th June 2016, 22:03

I've dyno tested various oils with various claims and never found a measurable difference in any respect, even when the 'full package' of engine, gearbox and final drive oils were changed for supposedly 'more slippery' varieties.

So, as already stated, 'Bollocks'....

7th June 2016, 22:41

http://www.fastcar.co.uk/tuning/millers-nanodrive-test/

7th June 2016, 22:49

I run my Vts on chip fat.

7th June 2016, 22:52

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Originally Posted by leeds_182

I run my Vts on chip fat.

Ha ha, used or new?!!!

7th June 2016, 23:05

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Originally Posted by craigyt

Ha ha, used or new?!!!

Crisp n dry

8th June 2016, 07:22

My VTR runs on yoghurt

8th June 2016, 09:37

I'll veer on the side of caution on this one. Now all I can think is it shows that clean oil is better than used, and one flush of oil does not clear all the crap from the engine.
It would have been interesting to see if they swapped oil again to halfords stuff whether they would have seen gains or losses or found the point where the clean oil had worked into all the friction surfaces in the engine..

8th June 2016, 17:43

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Originally Posted by craigyt

http://www.fastcar.co.uk/tuning/millers-nanodrive-test/

Well I tested the whole nanodrive range in a race 968 and it made absolutely NO measurable difference at all.

What are the chances that Millers advertise in Fastcar magazine do you think?

Also, the test is obviously bollocks because the frictional losses increase exponentially with speed, so the faster you go the greater the loss, but the test shows more torque improvement through the midrange and the ST even shows a loss at the top end, so what's that about apart from two runs with either an inconsistent car or two runs on an inconsistent dyno?

8th June 2016, 18:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chipwizards

Well I tested the whole nanodrive range in a race 968 and it made absolutely NO measurable difference at all.

What are the chances that Millers advertise in Fastcar magazine do you think?

Also, the test is obviously bollocks because the frictional losses increase exponentially with speed, so the faster you go the greater the loss, but the test shows more torque improvement through the midrange and the ST even shows a loss at the top end, so what's that about apart from two runs with either an inconsistent car or two runs on an inconsistent dyno?

What do you know Wayne.

I've just put some of that oil in my Leon and its pushing 400bhp. A near 200 horse increase.

Race any of you for slips.
Y0.

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8th June 2016, 22:28

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Originally Posted by sri_130

What do you know Wayne.

I've just put some of that oil in my Leon and its pushing 400bhp. A near 200 horse increase.

Race any of you for slips.
Y0.

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Originally Posted by Chipwizards

Well I tested the whole nanodrive range in a race 968 and it made absolutely NO measurable difference at all.

What are the chances that Millers advertise in Fastcar magazine do you think?

Also, the test is obviously bollocks because the frictional losses increase exponentially with speed, so the faster you go the greater the loss, but the test shows more torque improvement through the midrange and the ST even shows a loss at the top end, so what's that about apart from two runs with either an inconsistent car or two runs on an inconsistent dyno?

Well i stand corrected, all those millions the oil companies are spending on development are all wasted!

And I do apologise phil, i wont suggest or discuss anything in future

8th June 2016, 23:19

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Originally Posted by craigyt

Well i stand corrected, all those millions the oil companies are spending on development are all wasted!

And I do apologise phil, i wont suggest or discuss anything in future

I suspect Craigy was just having a bit of fun.

People can't be blamed for being sucked in by marketing, so don't feel bad about that. I bet you don't buy anti-wrinkle cream though do you? :-)

Oil and engines have been around for a very, very long time. Any developments now are going to be of very limited scope. It's no surprise that one of the very best lubricants (castor) has been around for donkeys and for some applications it hasn't been bettered, not with fifty years of oil companies spending 'millions' on development. It doesn't last very long because there aren't any detergents in it (partly why it is more 'pure' as a lubricant) but if you want very slippy goo in your engine it's a compromise you can make.

9th June 2016, 08:35

If you believe that article i bet you are voting stay in EU.lol
next Eu directive that will affect you is E10 petrol --bio fuel
guess what its alot more expensive ,so will be even worse by the time the tax goes on
plus 10% of cars can,t run on it ,we want to run our own country --good or bad --end of

9th June 2016, 12:05

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Originally Posted by KamRacing

I'll veer on the side of caution on this one. Now all I can think is it shows that clean oil is better than used, and one flush of oil does not clear all the crap from the engine.
It would have been interesting to see if they swapped oil again to halfords stuff whether they would have seen gains or losses or found the point where the clean oil had worked into all the friction surfaces in the engine..

Seen a discussion this morning on a facebook group whereby a chap is stating that slighty used "brown" oil is actually beneficial to lubrication over fresh, out of the bottle oil golden coloured oil as it contains carbon and carbon is a lubricant

9th June 2016, 12:29

15bhp lol

9th June 2016, 12:34

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Originally Posted by Chipwizards

not with fifty years of oil companies spending 'millions' on development.

Spending millions on advertising, not development. It's like those shampoo products with the added *insert made up, scientific-sounding word here*.

9th June 2016, 13:06

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Originally Posted by sexy_gt

15bhp lol

This is one modification to your racecar I'm not going to endorse lol

9th June 2016, 13:27

There are plenty of oil companies that claim power gains with different oils and most of it is nonsense, often comparing oils of different viscosity or synthetic vs mineral etc. Millers Nanodrive does seem to make a difference though. There are the tests that Millers have on their site, which I can understand people ignoring, then there are the ones done by magazines, and again I can see people ignoring if Millers advertise in the magazine. We have had feedback from customers though and while there isn't a benefit for everyone, some people have had good results. One guy uses his car for hill climbs on the same track and pre-Nanodrive (using Millers CFS) he was crossing the line at 97mph. After changing to Nanodrive, he was up to 100mph at the line. Another customer with an Integra gained about 2-2.5 mpg when he changed from a normal oil to the Nanodrive. Others have said their cars feel more responsive and smoother, but those aren't really quantifiable and can just be in someone's head. Others are using it in races where the cars have to be identical as it's one way to get an advantage.

I'm not saying use the Nanodrive and you will gain 50bhp, but there is a potential gain and as it's about £10-15 more than some other race oils (cheaper than others though), it's not a silly amount of money for a potential gain.

Cheers

Tim

9th June 2016, 14:15

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Originally Posted by Chipwizards

I suspect Craigy was just having a bit of fun.

People can't be blamed for being sucked in by marketing, so don't feel bad about that. I bet you don't buy anti-wrinkle cream though do you? :-)

Oil and engines have been around for a very, very long time. Any developments now are going to be of very limited scope. It's no surprise that one of the very best lubricants (castor) has been around for donkeys and for some applications it hasn't been bettered, not with fifty years of oil companies spending 'millions' on development. It doesn't last very long because there aren't any detergents in it (partly why it is more 'pure' as a lubricant) but if you want very slippy goo in your engine it's a compromise you can make.

He knows I'm messin'
Was wondering if the racers may have run it.

I buy anti-wrinkle cream though. My arse is saggy.

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9th June 2016, 19:29

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Originally Posted by oilman

There are plenty of oil companies that claim power gains with different oils and most of it is nonsense, often comparing oils of different viscosity or synthetic vs mineral etc. Millers Nanodrive does seem to make a difference though. There are the tests that Millers have on their site, which I can understand people ignoring, then there are the ones done by magazines, and again I can see people ignoring if Millers advertise in the magazine. We have had feedback from customers though and while there isn't a benefit for everyone, some people have had good results. One guy uses his car for hill climbs on the same track and pre-Nanodrive (using Millers CFS) he was crossing the line at 97mph. After changing to Nanodrive, he was up to 100mph at the line. Another customer with an Integra gained about 2-2.5 mpg when he changed from a normal oil to the Nanodrive. Others have said their cars feel more responsive and smoother, but those aren't really quantifiable and can just be in someone's head. Others are using it in races where the cars have to be identical as it's one way to get an advantage.

I'm not saying use the Nanodrive and you will gain 50bhp, but there is a potential gain and as it's about £10-15 more than some other race oils (cheaper than others though), it's not a silly amount of money for a potential gain.

Cheers

Tim

For real results there are too many variables involved when you throw a driver and a car on a track into the mix. How 'rubbered in' was the track, what was the weather like etc etc?

Same day, same dyno, same car, same test procedure, same power, same torque. Done with my own, un-rose-tinted-placebo bog-eyes. Enough said for me.

I race and I just use regular oil and change it frequently enough to be sure it hasn't lost too much of its film strength due to polymer chain shear etc.

It just needs a snake on the label...