rear strut braces

2nd June 2007, 13:58

now lads i no saxos have rear torsion bars but you msut be able to get at least a rear upper.

i can only seem to find front upper and lower none for the rear any help thanks guys ??

2nd June 2007, 14:03

as far as i know.........No you cant

just rebuild the beam with new bearings and poly bushed and it should handle perfectly

2nd June 2007, 14:04

yeah you can get one someone found one on ebay no so long ago however it will do sweet fa

2nd June 2007, 14:05

the only thing about sturting the front and not the back is the fact it can bend the chassis over time

o well cars arnt made to last for ever

thanks guys.

2nd June 2007, 14:06

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Originally Posted by sim69er

yeah you can get one someone found one on ebay no so long ago however it will do sweet fa

^ seeing as saxos dont have rear struts, how does that work?

2nd June 2007, 14:08

i as said its a pointless thing to do. how can u put a rear strut brace somewhere there isnt a strut???

2nd June 2007, 14:08

how do you intend on having a rear upper when there are no struts to attach it to.

the whole point of a strut brace is to prevent the individual turrets twisting away from each other etc...

lol.

2nd June 2007, 14:09

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Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

the only thing about sturting the front and not the back is the fact it can bend the chassis over time

thats the first ive ever heard of it!

2nd June 2007, 14:10

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Originally Posted by doubledavies

^ seeing as saxos dont have rear struts, how does that work?

yer im stupid, never fort of that and btw i think after that i might just weld a nice peice of 2 inch pipe between each side someware near a strengthen pillar or such

2nd June 2007, 14:11

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Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

yer im stupid, never fort of that and btw i think after that i might just weld a nice peice of 2 inch pipe between each side someware near a strengthen pillar or such

strengthen the pillar?

there is not one! you will just be welding to the inner arch! lol!

the suspension is not attached there, the rear beam mounts under the car!

2nd June 2007, 14:11

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Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

thats the first ive ever heard of it!

ive heard of it many times

takes a while but can happen

2nd June 2007, 14:12

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Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

strengthen the pillar?

there is not one! you will just be welding to the inner arch! lol!

the suspension is not attached there, the rear beam mounts under the car!

must b sumware in the back to strenghen it hmmmm have to leave to the axle and cage to do all the work in that case

2nd June 2007, 14:13

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Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

ive heard of it many times

takes a while but can happen

on what cars though? remeber not all cars are the same, if they have rear struts then of corse you will cause problems, but the fact is the rear beam mounts under the car so your not adding extra stress under the chassis!

just seem to have to strange theorys so far like green filters being crap.

2nd June 2007, 14:13

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Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

yer im stupid, never fort of that and btw i think after that i might just weld a nice peice of 2 inch pipe between each side someware near a strengthen pillar or such

I wouldnt!

2nd June 2007, 14:15

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Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

must b sumware in the back to strenghen it hmmmm have to leave to the axle and cage to do all the work in that case

there are two bolt holes in the rear end of the car, the rear beam bolts here, the rear beam is effectively an independant suspension system so adding bars to the shell will not do anything to the rear end other than increase the shells rigidity. not the suspension system itself.

2nd June 2007, 14:15

i have seen a saxo with a strengthing bar between the b-pillars though. dont know what difference it would make

2nd June 2007, 14:16

ive seen someone just weld a bit of bar with plates on the end to the rear archs inside the car but you cant buy them for saxos thats for sure

2nd June 2007, 14:18

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Originally Posted by gibs-rallye

i have seen a saxo with a strengthing bar between the b-pillars though. dont know what difference it would make

would reduce body flex if anything!

just seam weld the entire car if you really want to g that far!

a rear beam rebuild with decent bushes and bearings is far better that welding a bit of pipe here and there and using rear strut braces (which dont exist)

2nd June 2007, 14:18

seen it on ssc

2nd June 2007, 14:19

strenghening the shell wouldnt be to bad, ive never had a car with rear torrion bar b4 im to used to 4 struts and springs

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and as for green filters

honest this is the first time ive ever seen people rate them so much but im defently going to try them becuase you lads seem to no ur saxos's

2nd June 2007, 14:24

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Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

strenghening the shell wouldnt be to bad, ive never had a car with rear torrion bar b4 im to used to 4 struts and springs

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and as for green filters

honest this is the first time ive ever seen people rate them so much but im defently going to try them becuase you lads seem to no ur saxos's

if you want to reduce the flex between the shell and the rear beam fit a set of polyrace rear beam bushes, can also uprate the anti roll bar at the rear to a 25mm.

adding a roll cage will increase the strength of the shell and the ones that mount direct to the rear beam are good aswell

2nd June 2007, 14:29

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Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

if you want to reduce the flex between the shell and the rear beam fit a set of polyrace rear beam bushes, can also uprate the anti roll bar at the rear to a 25mm.

adding a roll cage will increase the strength of the shell and the ones that mount direct to the rear beam are good aswell

my aim is to get all the engine and gear box mounts changed to group n, the polyrace bushes all round. with the bilstein struts and ebaich shocks (think the group n struts wud suck seeing as it is also my daily driver), bigger roll bars upper and lower braces ummmmm and obv strip it out and cage it etc etc.

2nd June 2007, 14:30

sounds good!

track slag?

2nd June 2007, 14:33

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Originally Posted by doubledavies

sounds good!

track slag?

o yeh

im new here and nobody noes me

but all my cars ive owned have always been track slags i live for those odd track days

2nd June 2007, 14:34

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Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

my aim is to get all the engine and gear box mounts changed to group n, the polyrace bushes all round. with the bilstein struts and ebaich shocks (think the group n struts wud suck seeing as it is also my daily driver), bigger roll bars upper and lower braces ummmmm and obv strip it out and cage it etc etc.

eiback shocks???

you want billstein shocks! and if you want soft springs go eibach! however id personally say go H&R as theyre slightly harder and will not bottom out/roll so easily.

only need to uprate the rear anti roll bar! theres one!

the front is fine you dont want to make it bigger, if anything youi can go bigger torsion bars but from the way your talking theres no point, as you want all the suspnesion rates matched.

and groupNs are fine for daily drivers. except if you go groupN rear as you then need bigger torsion bars really

2nd June 2007, 14:34

cool, any engine mods planned

2nd June 2007, 14:38

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Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

eiback shocks???

you want billstein shocks! and if you want soft springs go eibach! however id personally say go H&R as theyre slightly harder and will not bottom out/roll so easily.

only need to uprate the rear anti roll bar! theres one!

the front is fine you dont want to make it bigger, if anything youi can go bigger torsion bars but from the way your talking theres no point, as you want all the suspnesion rates matched.

and groupNs are fine for daily drivers. except if you go groupN rear as you then need bigger torsion bars really

i was looking at the bilstein ebaich miss and match on kam-racing, they say its the best par the group n, am still thinking about the group n's its jsut finding springs hard enough to match. was thinking bout upgrading the rear torrsion bar but its about £400 i think off gmc

so thatll be one of the last handerling mods

2nd June 2007, 14:41

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Originally Posted by doubledavies

cool, any engine mods planned

omp group n system with either the raceland s/s 4-1 or the gmc s/s 4-1

and thinking about trying the green inclosed filter becuase its so rated here.

maybe a remap.

due to it being a vtr im not planning much becuase i fancy dropping a vts engine in once my insurance goes back down. not proud but ive had to get a vtr cos i have a motoring conviction list the length of my arm

vts would get a full rebuild with better inards flowed head and high lift cams (Y)

2nd June 2007, 14:41

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Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

i was looking at the bilstein ebaich miss and match on kam-racing, they say its the best par the group n, am still thinking about the group n's its jsut finding springs hard enough to match. was thinking bout upgrading the rear torrsion bar but its about £400 i think off gmc

so thatll be one of the last handerling mods

faulkner do custom springs, at like 180,200,220 lb etc.. irc. theyre who you want to go for!

also gmc are expensive because theyship next day! order from france direct.

but i personally dont think you should be fitting bigger bars by the sounds of it.

ive been in a car with eibach and wasnt impressed! H&R over eiback anyday! and there are lots on ssc who know about suspension who agree!

2nd June 2007, 14:43

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Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

omp group n system with either the raceland s/s 4-1 or the gmc s/s 4-1

and thinking about trying the green inclosed filter becuase its so rated here.

maybe a remap.

due to it being a vtr im not planning much becuase i fancy dropping a vts engine in once my insurance goes back down. not proud but ive had to get a vtr cos i have a motoring conviction list the length of my arm

vts would get a full rebuild with better inards flowed head and high lift cams (Y)

no point mapping unless you do CAM work etc etc

N/A or forced induction?

2nd June 2007, 14:44

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Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

faulkner do custom springs, at like 180,200,220 lb etc.. irc. theyre who you want to go for!

also gmc are expensive because theyship next day! order from france direct.

but i personally dont think you should be fitting bigger bars by the sounds of it.

ive been in a car with eibach and wasnt impressed! H&R over eiback anyday! and there are lots on ssc who know about suspension who agree!

im starting to think you no ur saxo's

so youd recomend the bilstein group n struts with h&r springs ?.

i am only lookin at droppin it between 40-60mm btw due to ripping off the front bumper when im on b-roads having a play. o and btw im looking at the rally steelys so itll be even lowerr

2nd June 2007, 14:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

omp group n system with either the raceland s/s 4-1 or the gmc s/s 4-1

and thinking about trying the green inclosed filter becuase its so rated here.

maybe a remap.

due to it being a vtr im not planning much becuase i fancy dropping a vts engine in once my insurance goes back down. not proud but ive had to get a vtr cos i have a motoring conviction list the length of my arm

vts would get a full rebuild with better inards flowed head and high lift cams (Y)

raceland is a 4-2-1 not a 4-1.

dont want a remap on breathing mods.

vts engine with a rebuild with forgies will be several K, and theres no point imo unless bossting or going on throttle bodies

2nd June 2007, 14:46

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Originally Posted by doubledavies

no point mapping unless you do CAM work etc etc

N/A or forced induction?

the vtr is jsut gonna have the inclosed green thing or a bmc carbon inclosed

the vts would hmmm im tied between super charger or just throttle bodys, im only playing on keepin the saxo for about 5 years due to wanting a turbo saloon once im settled

so i think a super charger may be a waste

2nd June 2007, 14:47

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Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

raceland is a 4-2-1 not a 4-1.

dont want a remap on breathing mods.

vts engine with a rebuild with forgies will be several K, and theres no point imo unless bossting or going on throttle bodies

dont they do a 4-1 ? o well gmc itll be

does no1 rate the janspeed manifolds ive used them in the past and loved them ?

2nd June 2007, 14:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

im starting to think you no ur saxo's

so youd recomend the bilstein group n struts with h&r springs ?.

i am only lookin at droppin it between 40-60mm btw due to ripping off the front bumper when im on b-roads having a play. o and btw im looking at the rally steelys so itll be even lowerr

problem is that with the billstein groupN with the proper groupN rears your overdamping standard torsion bars, so then you really want the bigger torsion bars.

the groupNs are my prefered type though, and on my car when its finished the plan is to get them with some faulkner springs at a set length and spring rate.

60mm is to low imo, you increase the chances of bumpsteer and 60mm springs are all made for saxos quite soft!

if you go inot the suspension section there should be a FAQ section, a friend of mine ALEXR wrote a guide.

2nd June 2007, 14:49

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Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

problem is that with the billstein groupN with the proper groupN rears your overdamping standard torsion bars, so then you really want the bigger torsion bars.

the groupNs are my prefered type though, and on my car when its finished the plan is to get them with some faulkner springs at a set length and spring rate.

60mm is to low imo, you increase the chances of bumpsteer and 60mm springs are all made for saxos quite soft!

if you go inot the suspension section there should be a FAQ section, a friend of mine ALEXR wrote a guide.

cheers ill have a look, gonna do research before buying

2nd June 2007, 14:50

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62008

there it is.
as you can see the H&R springs are harder than eibach

2nd June 2007, 14:54

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Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62008

there it is.
as you can see the H&R springs are harder than eibach

yer and only dropped 30mm, would they work along side the shorted group n bilsteins thou hmmm,

whats prices like on h&r's ive not heard of them before ?

2nd June 2007, 14:55

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Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

yer and only dropped 30mm, would they work along side the shorted group n bilsteins thou hmmm,

whats prices like on h&r's ive not heard of them before ?

i dont have any links im afriad, and tbh cant be fucked to search for em lol!

lots of people run groupNs on ssc with faulkner springs that dont lower much!

ask about suspension on there the knowlege is 10x better than on here btw!

2nd June 2007, 14:57

ill have a look thanks

2nd June 2007, 19:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by doubledavies

^ seeing as saxos dont have rear struts, how does that work?

i did say it does sweet fa

2nd June 2007, 21:06

^ because they dont exist!

its not a case of it doing nothing! there is actually nothing tangeable to fit!

2nd June 2007, 21:18

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Originally Posted by doubledavies

^ because they dont exist!

its not a case of it doing nothing! there is actually nothing tangeable to fit!

well not a rear 'strut brace'

there will be a bar of sort floating about on Egay but it will just be because there are so many daft buggers about