Important! : Parts you need to turbo your saxo and basic costs involved

1. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

   #1 11th August 2008, 13:59

   Right along with the turbo guide I did a while back alot of people ask for a parts list and pirce break down of whats the min required to run a turbo safely. So lets do a break down of a fully proper working turbo setup:
   
   Adapter for oe manifold and downpipe £175
   T25 turbo or a GT15 £50 - £100
   boost pipes £80 (new with hoses)
   intercooler £100
   repair headgasket set inc bolts £100 (1 single thicker hg being a repair one, should lower compression enough to run low boost)
   Dump valve, boost gauge and dump valve t-piece £60 - 80
   4 bigger injectors £30 (max)
   dastek unichip inc boost map sensor controller (£100 off ebay)
   2bar map sensor £30
   remap on the dastek £250 (at aldon automotive)
   oil feed and return £20
   sump return £10
   
   so thats the basics all had for less than £1100 at todays prices all mapped and ready to go low boost.
   
   Running a turbo is requires no less maintanence than a highly strung n.a motor, regular oil changes and not hammering the shite out of it and it will be reliable.
   
   Just don't expect it to be if you drive like an utter cock all over the place. Power 1.1 mpi anywere from 90bhp - 140bhp depending on boost run and how good the mapping is. Furio / Westcoast from 90bhp - 180bhp, VTR from 130bhp - 200bhp+ and VTS from 180bhp+ BUT this is all subjective as with all setups it boils down to how good said setup is and how good the mapping is aswell
   
   ALL figures are a guide you wont get that much unless the whole setup has been done right and the mapping is spot on, depends how much boost you run aswell. I ran just under 15psi in my old 1.1 and that doubled its power + a little more.
   
   Compression well since this is a basic guide for low boost 1 single repair HG will do for 8psi. If you are going for big power then consider forged pistons, proper standalone and a betetr box with a quaife.
   
   This is the basics IF you do most of the work yourself! I am sure people like martin with his ax vtr turbo and others will add to this if I have missed anything in this basic cost break down. Do not take this as gospel as you will need to hunt around for bargains and do the leg work. The prices i have listed are from my own experience.
   
   But is very rewarding once done
   
   EDIT - Also please read the following thread after you have finished here very sound advice and nice price guide for a medium spec build
   
   http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=382703

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2. edwardsvtr Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2008 plymouth Posts: 161 Audi A3 1.8T sport, stage 1 remap, coilovers, arb'

   #2 11th August 2008, 14:30

   great little guide, really breaks it down
3. holman Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2008 saltash cornwall Posts: 109 saxo east coast 1.1! mango wagon!

   #3 11th August 2008, 19:24

   the second i pass my test im guna start looking for a 1.1 with an mpi!!!!!!!!!
   ta for the break down... i was guna ask for 1 then i found this! thank you!
4. Mark51p Super Moderator Joined: Sep 2006 Wakefield Posts: 14427 Golf GT

   #4 11th August 2008, 19:36

   added to stickys
5. hudson701 Regular Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Port Talbot Posts: 279 Citroen Saxo VTS MK2. Lotus Elise Series 2

   #5 11th August 2008, 22:43

   Could you put a guide up for a basic supercharger kit?
6. steviet Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4119

   #6 17th August 2008, 11:09

   excellent guide gav
7. gaz4399 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2007 Chester Posts: 2850 1275 mini

   #7 17th August 2008, 16:40

   great guide
8. landanimal Frequent Poster Joined: May 2008 bournemouth Posts: 582 saxo vtr, mk3 fiesta 1.1 - 2.0 zetec project

   #8 12th September 2008, 15:46

   where do you buy the parts from though? like if i wanted to start getting a turbo setup for my 1.1 where do i look to buy the parts other than yourself cause i want to do a slow progress of it sso buy 1 part at a time.
9. Tom_latchford Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Bournemouth/Dorset Posts: 1309 saxo westcoast 1.4 but with a 1.6 engine lol

   #9 12th September 2008, 15:47

   brilliant guide really helps
10. garvey2k8 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 295 saxo 1.1i , bmw 318i

    #10 23rd September 2008, 11:31

    can you turbo a 1.1 spi
11. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #11 23rd September 2008, 15:28

    is mine a spi or mpi, i forgot what it was i asked before
    
    
    
    
    have you got any pictures of your turbo'd saxo 1.1 i please ? (sophia_bush or is it still in the making ?
12. peebee Established Member Joined: Jun 2004 Worcester United Kingdom (England) Posts: 2209 Saxo VTR MK2

    #12 23rd December 2008, 11:10

    And there was me thinking you'd need to spend thousands! Cheers!
13. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #13 23rd December 2008, 11:15

    'Furio / Westcoast from 90bhp - 180bhp, VTR from 130bhp - 170bhp.'
    
    Great guide mate, whats the 1400 got to give it more potential over the 1600?
14. peebee Established Member Joined: Jun 2004 Worcester United Kingdom (England) Posts: 2209 Saxo VTR MK2

    #14 23rd December 2008, 11:33

    lol i didn't see that bit! Surely thats not right? Meh!
15. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #15 23rd December 2008, 11:57

    its a guide final power depends on how well setup it is. VTR could make up to 200bhp but at the end of the day it depends on what your spec is and how welll setup it is

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16. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #16 23rd December 2008, 14:09

    nice1 this is exectly what ive been looking!! where can you get the bigger injectors from? and what size im strugglin to find any
17. Mathias Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2008 Pembrokeshire Posts: 5598

    #17 23rd December 2008, 15:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 nice1 this is exectly what ive been looking!! where can you get the bigger injectors from? and what size im strugglin to find any

    http://www.q-e-p.co.uk/
    
    There your best bet for injectors mate, explain your spec and expected power output and they'll tell you which ones you'll need!

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18. J0sh L-plater Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 43

    #18 11th August 2009, 08:46

    Where can I buy the adaptor for oe manifold and downpipe from? Already have the turbo and intercooler
19. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #19 12th August 2009, 13:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by J0sh Where can I buy the adaptor for oe manifold and downpipe from? Already have the turbo and intercooler

    you can by the flanges etc off ebay but unlees you buy a specific mani etc for your car and turbo its all fabricationg yourself or getting someone to do it for you
20. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #20 12th August 2009, 20:12

    Where can you get a proper turbo mani from instead of adapting the standard one to fit? I think that looks tacky imo. I want to build a turbo vts engine to go in my vtr but without spending a fortune but my car will hopefully be a track car in near future. Is a escort rst trubo any good? What intercooler, injectors, mani, turbo be best for a low to adverage boost build?
21. perryvt Newbie Joined: Aug 2009 Birmingham Posts: 13 Saxo Furio (soon will be vtr speed) Crappy old fi

    #21 13th August 2009, 12:25

    So is that all u need 2 put a turbo into a saxo that cheap??
    
    Where do all the parts come from and how much would it cost to get it fitted or cud u do it urself with some effort?
    
    Sounds a good idea wat bhp wud i b looking at from a turbo in a 1.4 with decent cams and a rolling road remap?
22. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #22 3rd September 2009, 12:49

    What sort of power would mk2 vtr turbo at about 6psi be running power wise?

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23. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #23 3rd September 2009, 17:29

    could be anything, depends on too many factors, eg engine condiotion turbo condition other mods, what mani you use mapping more importantly what choice you even make for fueling

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24. turbod_vtr Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 stockport Posts: 103 Mk2 Saxo vtrt, clio sport, megane 225

    #24 8th April 2010, 19:26

    looking on ebay i dont know what turbo flange i should be looking at? or what turbo to get??
    have a mk2 vtr
    i have many questions if some would could help me that would be great.
    great guide!
    cheers
25. Phsyco_Paff Established Member Joined: Mar 2009 South East Posts: 2015 Phase 2 vts

    #25 9th April 2010, 16:58

    turbo wise you can get a gt28 off a 200 sx you will also need the manifold
    
    you can then cut the 200s mani up and weld all the bits to your saxo manifold
    
    i would also recommend running 6psi boost as i have found @ 8psi saxo gearboxes just dont cut it(i have to heavy foot) and will die in a short time so far the diesial gearbox is doing well and is by far the best option (unless you can afford Quaif internals) the gears are longer but the boost makes up for it.
26. turbod_vtr Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 stockport Posts: 103 Mk2 Saxo vtrt, clio sport, megane 225

    #26 9th April 2010, 23:29

    what sort of fueling/mapping are you running? setup?
27. stevie__mc Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 northern ireland (joyriding country) Posts: 124 1998 Saxo Vtr Black Top (for sale soon)

    #27 11th April 2010, 18:24

    its a good guide. and good price but its all a lot of hasel getting parts and getting it setup etc lmao
28. stueebaby Infrequent Poster Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 181 Citroen Saxo 16V VTS

    #28 12th April 2010, 09:40

    If vtr capable upto 200 bhp wat will a vts pull out the bag?
29. jaytay Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 birmingham Posts: 858 saxo vtr 2000 black modified

    #29 12th April 2010, 09:56

    think that kinda answers everything really great guide
30. chris666 Newbie Joined: May 2008 east sussex Posts: 20 saxo mk2 1.6 16v vts turbo!!

    #30 21st April 2010, 00:11

    well by mates vts turbo is pushing neely 250 bhp but i need a new custom remap due to cams, to higher the rev range and fueling
31. 9Freedman9 Established Member Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1997

    #31 21st April 2010, 11:19

    Could you put links up to everything that you need to buy, i.e where you can buy it from online. Thanks.
32. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #32 17th September 2010, 10:03

    What turbo manifolds are available for vts engines? I know theres the dp and miltek but the miltek ones are a pain to get hold of and cituning arent the best ive heard at getting parts sent to you. The dp is expensive, is there any others out there?
33. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #33 17th September 2010, 11:00

    try looking on the cituning website they do the manifold and downpipe as seperates now not exactly that hard
34. sliderz Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 warrington Posts: 722 saxo vts turbo

    #34 17th September 2010, 11:13

    295 for mani or 445 for mani plus downpipe vts
    8v is even cheaper 245 mani 395 all
35. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #35 17th September 2010, 11:34

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush try looking on the cituning website they do the manifold and downpipe as seperates now not exactly that hard

    I didnt know they sold them seperate on the site. Found them now though, good price for them both tbh, is there much difference between power, torque gains with the dp one?
    
    What sort of figure is acceptable for term of reliability, i dont want it to be offroad being fixed because gearbox has gone or driveshafts snapped, etc. I heard that anything over 300bhp the gearbox will need upgrading to a BE ideally.
36. Jungle Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Sheffield Posts: 1206 106 Rallye Turbo

    #36 23rd September 2010, 14:46

    you cant have a fast reliable saxo.. it doesnt exist
    
    If you looking for more than 300bhp you will need to spend ALOT of money, the stuff in this thread is very very very basic
37. AdamPug Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2010 middlesbrough Posts: 122 Vauxhall Corsa 1.2 16v

    #37 23rd September 2010, 15:03

    verry good guide
38. Hamilton2oo7 Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2007 Glasgow Posts: 152 '03 Furio '00 VTS

    #38 19th October 2010, 20:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush ...Compression well since this is a basic guide for low boost 1 single repair HG will do for 8psi. If you are going for big power then consider forged pistons, proper standalone and a betetr box with a quaife...

    What size (mm's) would this be?
39. Liam88 L-plater Joined: Nov 2010 Seaham, County Durham Posts: 69 Citroen Saxo Vts

    #39 25th November 2010, 11:29

    great thread might have to think about this mod for my vts cheers
40. ukgaz Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 Maidenhead Posts: 683 Saxo VtR '52

    #40 25th November 2010, 17:03

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hamilton2oo7 What size (mm's) would this be?

    just walk into citroen dealership and ask for the biggest they got, will cost around £60 for it, alternatively for low boost you can get a 1.9mm HG which will be enough

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41. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #41 23rd March 2011, 12:17

    to the top
    
    bump as many people not bothering to search again
42. nathan9279 L-plater Joined: Sep 2011 Ash/ Surrey Posts: 91 Saxo vtr Saxo vtr with 106 gti cammed

    #42 26th March 2012, 20:47

    How come most people say the cost is almost doubled when turbo
43. Gareth_R Established Member Joined: Mar 2010 Basildon, Essex Posts: 1042 Citroen AX VTS

    #43 26th March 2012, 21:05

    compared to what?
44. user_21226 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 wirral Posts: 6348 Icelandic vtr turbo

    #44 26th March 2012, 21:25

    my whole vtr turbo build came to just under £2000 and that was with turbo cam/ turbo head /pulley/ injectors/ ecu/ btb/ mani/ DP/ HG/ De-comp/ timing belt kit & water pump/ I/C, alloy pulleys/ alloy helix flywheel, 6 paddle helix clutch/ omp clutch cover/ new release bearing/ 2 bar map sensor/ 4 bar FPR/ all alloy pipe work and hoses/ DV/ vacuum hoses/ LC 1 innovate wide band/ gizmo boost controller + other bits id need to think about.
    
    IMO theres no other way after going down the forged N/A route ad then experiencing the same in boost no comparison especially when you look at the after costs
45. Psycho18 Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 west Mids Posts: 1775 Mk1 White VTS

    #45 11th June 2012, 18:26

    what about companies that will supply and install the setup?
46. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #46 11th June 2012, 19:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Psycho18 what about companies that will supply and install the setup?

    ATSPEED racing
    Pug1off
    Place next to mark who owns Ma motorsport (mark1311)
47. user_17444 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Netherlands Posts: 154 Saxo VTR '96(K.I.A.) Saxo 16V VTS '01

    #47 12th June 2012, 14:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Psycho18 what about companies that will supply and install the setup?

    www.dp-engineering.nl here in Holland
48. user_50346 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2011 Houghton-Le-Spring Posts: 366 C2 vts

    #48 30th August 2012, 22:55

    great guide thanks