conversion help (epic fuel problem)

26th February 2013, 16:42

Wits end with it now to be honest basically fobbed off "its cammed" by someone I genuinely didn't expect that from, and after driving it all of 15.2 miles the car has used 10 litres of petrol.

As far as I can tell the return line is plumbed in correctly, and i have had a go at jigging the fpr pipe back where it should have been initially, there is no carbon canister set up on it, or atleast it isnt plumbed into the engine, which is where it gets interesting as i saw a quote on another forum by sandy who said without it, epic pressure can be put on the fuel lines, causing mental overfuelling.

After having the car on Bedford's machine all that came back was a map sensor, however we swapped that for a known working one to no avail.

Another thing to note is after leaving the car 2 days i came back opened the door and the smell of petrol is unbelieveable, so possibly a leak? Im not sure anymore and just need sone saxp 16vs help lol.

26th February 2013, 17:04

I don't have a carbon canister or fuel return plumbed in and get still get brilliant MPG!

So yeah i'd be looking for a leak somewhere along the lines (literally).

26th February 2013, 18:06

Just been out to take many photos and even a cheeky video, I did however notice my carbon canister piping was still there hidden underneath the ecu, so that is now plumbed in to the inlet, BUT I believe there is also a connector (brown iirc) but couldn't find it on my loom although the guy who did the conversion did say it wasn't on mk1 VTS looms, yet after everything I don't know how true that is.

I will upload the photos shortly but for now this is a video I got, notice the plooms of black smoke, and the smell of petrol was unbelievable, when I came back in my bird told me she had to close the window as the room stank!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYsg...e_gdata_player

26th February 2013, 18:27

sounds like its running on 2, check your plugs.

26th February 2013, 18:28

Few more pictures of things I spotted earlier, particularly the random plug connected to nothing near the passenger headlight.

http://i.imgur.com/K6tIDC0.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/KilGgaF.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/W5uakSA.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/AfS49oY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MarehBH.jpg

26th February 2013, 18:31

Plugs were checked on Friday with Marcus (bedford126) all 4 were coked and black as the night.

26th February 2013, 18:36

Do you have your throttle position sensor plugged in mate?

26th February 2013, 18:42

Pics dont work for me - just saying

26th February 2013, 18:53

TPS is connected edited my previous post so hopefully people can click the pics, on my phone so not as easy to redo links

26th February 2013, 18:55

The vac hose to the carbon canister, wheres that going? If its not connected whats blanking the take off on the underside of the inlet?

What have you done fuel pump wise? And what have you done return Wise?
Whats from which car?

26th February 2013, 18:55

Pics still not working for me - struggling to help - if i can!
Clicked the links - doesnt go anywhere!

26th February 2013, 18:55

The vac hose to the carbon canister, wheres that going? If its not connected whats blanking the take off on the underside of the inlet?

What have you done fuel pump wise? And what have you done return Wise?
Whats from which car?

26th February 2013, 19:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by tillygti6

The vac hose to the carbon canister, wheres that going? If its not connected whats blanking the take off on the underside of the inlet?

What have you done fuel pump wise? And what have you done return Wise?
Whats from which car?

Carbon canister is now reconnected to inlet so no holes there,

I did nothing, i paid someone to do it, said someone is now ignoring calls/texts and im at a loss as to what else to try.

The fuel pump is my standard 1.4 fuel pump, the fpr under the bench was removed and now has just the vts fpr on the rail. The return line goes from fuel rail into the grommet on bulkhead, down passenger side of car and back to pump.

I don't know why photos aren't working, really annoying :@

26th February 2013, 19:54

that even with the exhaust doesn't sound to right, everything in the engine bay looks to be fine wouldn't worry on the canister as my mates one was disconnected and blocked didn't run a return line either mpg was good even with a s1 rallye box.

For it to be using that much fuel I want to say cam timing and fuel leak from somewhere. So what you will need to do to rule this out is passenger seat out carpet up check the lines there to the tank, then check under the car passenger rear fuel filter should be there check there to, then look under the black caps driver side rear under the bench thats where they connect to the pump.

If Marcus machine has ruled out pretty much all the sensors it will be something else, maybe the injectors are sticking a bit or the fpr is up the duff? either way let use know if you need any bits as I got a few bits here that may be able to help out

26th February 2013, 19:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

Few more pictures of things I spotted earlier, particularly the random plug connected to nothing near the passenger headlight.

see if pics work

going to sound really stupid to but are the lambda sensors plugged in right way around?

26th February 2013, 19:59

Cheers mate, problem is I don't know what I need haha. I will have another look tomorrow and get the seat out to check lines, its all OK at the pump as I have checked it.

Could cam timing mean he hasn't timed it up right or it is "cammed" as I was told, I had lots of work done to the engine before it was dropped in so he may have timed cams up wrong? Problem is he's now avoiding me so can't even talk to him :'(

26th February 2013, 20:00

Only 1 lambda on the mk1 VTS mate and its plugged in. Have a brand new one, and also my old 1.4 known working to try, but half moved in with the Mrs and all my tools are at my mums

26th February 2013, 20:02

what work did you have done to the engine? did you have cams in again or is that what you was told? if cam timing is out will affect things but unsure if it make the engine a fuelaholic though.

If any of the lads up your way can change the injectors and fpr for you I will send what I got to you for postage if it helps you rule that out, ah ok mk1 vts engine what loom and ecu you running?

26th February 2013, 20:05

The loose plug near the rad is for the fan, you dont use it as a plug on a conversion some people use a few wires off it some dont. Aslong as the fan cuts in when it should dont worry about that plug.

Dont drive it at all with that much un-burnt fuel getting thrown out the exhaust you will wash it very quickly.

You have pm.

26th February 2013, 20:08

I would also be inclined to check the crank position sensor for shite stuck to it.
And as gav said the cam timing.

If the fuel stinks that bad its surely got to be a leak somewhere. But then a leak wouldnt neccesarily explain the rough running. Youd expect with a major leak the topend power would be to shite. But you say its lumpy as hell at low rpm?

26th February 2013, 20:11

The brown plug under the thermostat is unused.
Where I the vac hose off the throttle body plug to? Should go to the hole on the rear can cover iirc?

26th February 2013, 20:14

I had a new head gasket/head set, skimmed...oil something's changed :$ too
new clutch (unrelated I know)
Cambelt was done too..

Ecu is a mark 1 VTS unlocked by bluehawk, and loom Is mk1 engine mk2 chassis but was spliced professionally so know that's OK too.

Honestly tom I haven't driven it enough to notice if the fan cuts in or not, sensor radiator and wiring is all brand new so technically it should do, I can't even afford to drive it even if I wanted to

26th February 2013, 20:22

1 check injectors and clean them they may be stuck open
2 sounds like timing is out
3 plug is the rad fan plug dont worry
4 carbon canistor is for emissions dont worry about it
5 i hear hissing, check for vacuum leaks
6 DO NOT DRIVE your defo gonna wash it if its that rich, and thats a whole load of expensive worms

26th February 2013, 20:22

Is there any differences between the mk1 and 2 flywheels? As in the tooth positioning/relative to crank position?
There is between alot of the other pug citroen models.. Of seemingly the same engine/management.

The return fuel hose?? Is it high pressure hose? Or just braided rubber cheap stuff. Because the cheap stuff allows the fuel vapour to permeate it. And shouldnt be run through the car because of that.
Could be causing you too look at the problem differently

26th February 2013, 20:26

no difference in flywheel or timing teeth std 60-2

26th February 2013, 20:27

where in leeds are you?

26th February 2013, 20:32

Thats what peugeot said.... To find that although the toothing and spaci g etc is the same they (the missing teeth)are 2 teeth further round.

It caused me epic ballache on the hdi's and actually altho diesels gave almost identical fault. Even getting the all clear on planet.

26th February 2013, 20:38

Flywheels spacing is the same

Are you getting a reading from coolant temp and Intake temp, as well as lambdas, and do they look sensible when it's plugged into the machine

Also check the fuel pressure reg

26th February 2013, 20:39

I am now based in headingley as I have practically moved in with my Mrs.

The lad who did all the work told me it was cammed, I'm just not sure I believe it, I think its more likely he was getting annoyed wasting time on a conversion.

The return hose, I don't know but it is very very thick, so it would be hard to penetrate.

26th February 2013, 20:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

Flywheels spacing is the same

Are you getting a reading from coolant temp and Intake temp, as well as lambdas, and do they look sensible when it's plugged into the machine

Also check the fuel pressure reg

Marcus said all readings were fine so ruled out plugs, how would I check the fpr? Don't mind getting my hands dirty but I'm no.mechanic lol.

27th February 2013, 00:16

Sounds like the lad who did the work doesn't know what hes doing, so id definatly check the cam timing before doing anything else (since he had the head off). Just watched the video, sounds like it could be the timing out a tooth tbh. It's the fuel consumption that gets me, if the timing was out it wont help your mpg at all but from what your sayings it on like 7mpg at the minute, if there are no leaks id check lambda sensor/coolant temp sensors aswell, anything that thats directly linked to the fueling tbh

. I had a renault clio that was awful on fuel, put it on my emission tester at work and the CO was @10%

. I was getting like 10mpg and it stunk and it turned out the be a goosed lambda sensor, so it's not out of the question. Hope this helps

27th February 2013, 00:55

Watching this thread like a hawk, cheers for the input snake, any and all is greatly appreciated.

The lad is/was on here,he has his own company and was seemingly well liked and trusted etc, i have spare working lambdas so i can check that fairly easily

27th February 2013, 00:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

Watching this thread like a hawk, cheers for the input snake, any and all is greatly appreciated.

The lad is/was on here,he has his own company and was seemingly well liked and trusted etc, i have spare working lambdas so i can check that fairly easily

Nice one. Il keep my eye on this for the result, it might be worth leaving the battery disconnected for a while when you change the sensor, just to reset the ecu, as it might need to self learn/adapt if the fueling has been out for a while

27th February 2013, 10:53

Have you compression tested it mate?

27th February 2013, 11:13

The head was pressure tested I'm sure, going to hopefully swap over lambda sensor today and reset the ECU.

To reset ECU its just disconnect battery for xx minutes/hours right?

27th February 2013, 20:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

The head was pressure tested I'm sure, going to hopefully swap over lambda sensor today and reset the ECU.

To reset ECU its just disconnect battery for xx minutes/hours right?

Yeah it is mate, like 30mins iirc

27th February 2013, 20:56

That last pic, that pipe u holding don't got there, there's spose to be a pipe coming from the rocker cover to the inlet.

Is it just me or does your fuel line look like its not clipped onto the fuel rail properly?

27th February 2013, 21:01

Have you checked the o-rings on the injectors to make sure they all on properly aswell?

27th February 2013, 22:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaneio

That last pic, that pipe u holding don't got there, there's spose to be a pipe coming from the rocker cover to the inlet.

Is it just me or does your fuel line look like its not clipped onto the fuel rail properly?

Hiya mate, yes I know that pipe shouldn't be there, its from the fpr and should be connected to a nipple under the inlet, however I cannot remove the inlet for some bizzare reason and I can't connect the pipe blind, there seemed like the only solution.

O rings I am not sure, I need to get the injectors off, but not sure what I should be looking for so may just be pointless

Insurance is up on the 5th, looking like I won't be renewing it

27th February 2013, 22:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaneio

That last pic, that pipe u holding don't got there, there's spose to be a pipe coming from the rocker cover to the inlet.

Is it just me or does your fuel line look like its not clipped onto the fuel rail properly?

The vac pipe is there because The top half of the cam cover has been sealed to the lower part using tiger seal and there is no way in hell of getting it off to slip the hose over the take off. We tried for near on a hour.

For a start the spark plugs were sooted up to fuck so they were cleaned and replaced (Crush washers weren't even crushed the first time around) So were loose as fuck.

All readings for all sensors were fine on the machine including tps and temp.

Cleaned idle control valve and throttle body. Found a fucked up bolt holding the throttle cable in (snapped on the way home)

Map sensor was changed to the one from mine less than one month old same part number and still nothing.

We had the car running fine for about 5 seconds then turned it off and it fired up then started to do the same again.

27th February 2013, 22:21

Just to let you know matt, that my 16v on 20 quid did about 60 miles today with maybe a 5ers worth of fuel to spare while having a fair bit of fun

Hop you get it sorted ASAP mate

27th February 2013, 22:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ali123

Just to let you know matt, that my 16v on 20 quid did about 60 miles today with maybe a 5ers worth of fuel to spare while having a fair bit of fun

Hop you get it sorted ASAP mate

Haha you bastard, honestly don't know who's problems I'd rather be having!!!

If it's not sorted soon I'm going to have to bite an expensive bullet and just outright buy a VTS, last resort, but its crossed my mind

27th February 2013, 22:41

wait really your getting that miles to that much fuel? couldn't remember my old gtis being that bad

27th February 2013, 22:44

Me or Ali?

Mines not normal by a huge way, but Ali's is certainly much more respectful, have to remember too petrol only ever becomes more expensive so more is less in hindsight

27th February 2013, 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

Haha you bastard, honestly don't know who's problems I'd rather be having!!!

If it's not sorted soon I'm going to have to bite an expensive bullet and just outright buy a VTS, last resort, but its crossed my mind

Haha id rather be having your problems mate, tbh, if I've fried my head gasket cos it did over heat alot I'm calling it a day with it!
Also, the bangs on the gear changes were phenomenal !
Huge pops ! They were orgasmic

27th February 2013, 22:46

not yours matt, alis? I remember my gti used to do about 115-125miles on £25 full tank would manage 300-330 that was a mixture of slow driving and all out death! This was about a year or so ago but petrol prices back then was pretty similar to now give or take 2-3p

27th February 2013, 22:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ali123

Haha id rather be having your problems mate, tbh, if I've fried my wasn't gasket cos it did over heat alot I'm calling it a day with it!
Also, the bangs on the gear changes were phenomenal !
Huge pops ! They were orgasmic

They are immense on 16vs in comparison to 8 the short distance I have driven mine, I was loving it, especially through the tunnels in leeds, like a whole different animal, plus i have a supersprint manifold to go on in place of the standard one, should make it even better.

I really hope you havent fried the gasket, major game changer if you have

least yours wasnt ripping your bank to bits every mile though!

27th February 2013, 22:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush

not yours matt, alis? I remember my gti used to do about 115-125miles on £25 full tank would manage 300-330 that was a mixture of slow driving and all out death! This was about a year or so ago but petrol prices back then was pretty similar to now give or take 2-3p

Ah right ! Well remember I've for the 1.4 box on it and the tiny 13" wheels so it is revving it's bollocks off every where I go like haha
But I was pretty impressed tbh as when it was over fueling like fuck I did 11 miles to a 10er!

27th February 2013, 22:52

All this shite talk of 16v and you will be blown away by 1.3's at york.

27th February 2013, 22:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush

not yours matt, alis? I remember my gti used to do about 115-125miles on £25 full tank would manage 300-330 that was a mixture of slow driving and all out death! This was about a year or so ago but petrol prices back then was pretty similar to now give or take 2-3p

Please tell me how to achieve these mpgs haha, last hurdle for me this!!!

My old 1.4 did 100miles to £20 almost exactly, and that was modded and fast driving a fair bit, if i could be "in that region now" id be happy as larry tbh.

27th February 2013, 22:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ali123

Ah right ! Well remember I've for the 1.4 box on it and the tiny 13" wheels so it is revving it's bollocks off every where I go like haha
But I was pretty impressed tbh as when it was over fueling like fuck I did 11 miles to a 10er!

What did it turn out to be? Those figures seem awfully familiar.

27th February 2013, 22:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

What did it turn out to be? Those figures seem awfully familiar.

All I changed was the lambda sensor mate!
Also when I Revved it the black smoke was just like yours!

27th February 2013, 23:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ali123

All I changed was the lambda sensor mate!
Also when I Revved it the black smoke was just like yours!

Imagine!!!

I have a brand new one but its non returnable once opened and £80 lol, also have my old 1.4 one will try that tommorow.

Doesnt explain the lumpiness though

27th February 2013, 23:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

They are immense on 16vs in comparison to 8 the short distance I have driven mine, I was loving it, especially through the tunnels in leeds, like a whole different animal, plus i have a supersprint manifold to go on in place of the standard one, should make it even better.

I really hope you havent fried the gasket, major game changer if you have

least yours wasnt ripping your bank to bits every mile though!

even if it has fried the gasket i can just do it over at work so no major bills to pay or owt, but its just more delays and more of a pain in the arse than anyhthing else tbh! but that is also true!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bedford126

All this shite talk of 16v and you will be blown away by 1.3's at york.

probably tbh

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

Imagine!!!

I have a brand new one but its non returnable once opened and £80 lol, also have my old 1.4 one will try that tommorow.

Doesnt explain the lumpiness though

yeah man just try your old 1.4 one as you knew that was deffo working

28th February 2013, 19:17

Update to this ongoing saga, i had 2-3 hours on it this afternoon, swapped the standard manifold for a super sprint 421 and also swapped my lambda sensor for a known working one from my 1.4

Started it up and let it idle for a few minutes but nothing seemed to have changed, it DID however begin leaking oil all over the floor, absolutely no idea why, so I'm about ready to throw in the towel now sadly

28th February 2013, 19:18

But I did find the carbon canister setup on the loom which I was told didn't exist on the mk1 loom, so that is now plumbed in correctly, which is one less vac hose on the inlet.

28th February 2013, 19:49

Are the 1.4 lambda sensors exactly the same as the vts ones? If they read different parameters/voltages during and after the warm up phase it may never go into closed loop so it will run rich constantly. I f they are the same ignore this lol

28th February 2013, 20:06

ideally need one of the guys near you to check it over all hoses etc connected to inlet ok injectors are in ok etc stuff like that as I honestly can't think of what it can be now unless you have a weird electric spike arc problem

28th February 2013, 20:10

I would still be thinking timing if the glaringly obvious has been checked. Whats the chances mateys got the cams in the wrong bank?

28th February 2013, 20:10

I'm starting to think its a timing or ecu issue.

With the inlet manifold been tiger sealed together I wouldn't put anything past it now.

28th February 2013, 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bedford126

I'm starting to think its a timing or ecu issue.

With the inlet manifold been tiger sealed together I wouldn't put anything past it now.

ecu been spiked maybe? so its only just about working in the way it is?

if there was any air leaks be noticeable as the nipple the fpr pipe goes on to on the underside of the top half of the inlet isn't exactly small

28th February 2013, 20:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush

ecu been spiked maybe? so its only just about working in the way it is?

if there was any air leaks be noticeable as the nipple the fpr pipe goes on to on the underside of the top half of the inlet isn't exactly small

I seen something like this before and that was when the battery was left connected when welding was done on the car if that's what you mean?

Can't really hear any air leaks and you can get it to stall easily by covering the throttle body with your hand so cant be any big leaks. and i had my finger on the nipple under the manifold whilst running and still runs the same.

28th February 2013, 20:26

Feel so bad for you mate, as mine is now pummelling out thick white smoke

haven't had time to properly look at it today , literally only just gt home from work, bin one busy day!

28th February 2013, 20:27

Also. If I sort my car out this weekend mate I'll come up to yours so you can try my ecu on yours!

28th February 2013, 20:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ali123

Also. If I sort my car out this weekend mate I'll come up to yours so you can try my ecu on yours!

I think his is a single plug mate.

Also ii stared your loom today but fell asleep it should be done at some point tomorrow.

28th February 2013, 20:31

Oh shit it is ain't it! Completely forgot about that

28th February 2013, 20:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bedford126

I seen something like this before and that was when the battery was left connected when welding was done on the car if that's what you mean?

Can't really hear any air leaks and you can get it to stall easily by covering the throttle body with your hand so cant be any big leaks. and i had my finger on the nipple under the manifold whilst running and still runs the same.

yeah thats the one or something along those lines buggers ecu up in some way but leaves it working just about, just thinking of a way timing can be checked on the standard pulleys since no marks on them unless its a tooth out or something daft

28th February 2013, 20:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush

yeah thats the one or something along those lines buggers ecu up in some way but leaves it working just about, just thinking of a way timing can be checked on the standard pulleys since no marks on them unless its a tooth out or something daft

That's the only things I can think of.

28th February 2013, 20:37

wheres this oil leaking from then?

28th February 2013, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gandi699

wheres this oil leaking from then?

I'm guessing the dip stick tube. He ha "issues" with it when I saw it it had been pretty much bent in 2 when he had the conversion.

28th February 2013, 20:39

Pin the flywheel and check where the pulleys are at. Even if the timing was a tooth out it would still be within tolerances so still wouldnt really explain the savage fuel consumption. Nor would a faulty lambda. You could run without it and still return better mpg and driveabiltiy than you get now.

Has it actually had a compression test run since the heads been back on. And where the cams removed for the headwork?

28th February 2013, 20:45

what the man above said. I had a metro gti that idled in a similar way when I had a slightly bent inlet valve due to me fucking the timing up, but it would rev up alright

28th February 2013, 21:21

I've skipped most of the thread...

But. What if you weren't scammed and it actually is cammed? I've known cars to do similar MPG when they're not mapped correctly or have sensor issues.

I would suggest doing the basics and just cleaning out your Throttle body and all the sesnors within. Also clean out the MAP sensor with electrical contact cleaner. The amount of 106/saxo problems i cure JUST by removing and cleaning sensors you wouldnt beleive.

Might need an ecu reset after, battery off, unplug sensors, battery on, ignition on, plug in sensors, ignition off, start.

My 2p.

28th February 2013, 21:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisB

I've skipped most of the thread...

But. What if you weren't scammed and it actually is cammed? I've known cars to do similar MPG when they're not mapped correctly or have sensor issues.

I would suggest doing the basics and just cleaning out your Throttle body and all the sesnors within. Also clean out the MAP sensor with electrical contact cleaner. The amount of 106/saxo problems i cure JUST by removing and cleaning sensors you wouldnt beleive.

Might need an ecu reset after, battery off, unplug sensors, battery on, ignition on, plug in sensors, ignition off, start.

My 2p.

all been done by bedford already as stated not taking the piss or anything but he has

28th February 2013, 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush

all been done by bedford already as stated not taking the piss or anything but he has

Yeah mate already done this lot always start with the basics, But as I said to matt the other day the more opinions and the more advice to what it could be the better.

28th February 2013, 21:42

Okay no worries, i did say i'd skipped most of the thread

28th February 2013, 21:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisB

Okay no worries, i did say i'd skipped most of the thread

Yeah mate the more heads on this one the better. It started pissing me off last Friday no matter what we did or replaced couldn't get it running correct. Then to top it all off with the phone call from matt "Mate my throttle cable has snapped" almost pushed me off the edge.

28th February 2013, 21:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bedford126

That's the only things I can think of.

As in put an electrical spike in the ecu?

28th February 2013, 22:05

A bricked ecu will highly unlikely get a clean bill of health on the diag. you can whip it apart and inspect for any damage to the resistors but still v unlikely.
Also theres the speed sensor on the box, this has the same plug as one of the other closest sensors, cant for the life of me remember which it is though....
Ive had these connected to each other and it ran like a bag of spanners.its a 3pin plug....

28th February 2013, 22:19

im still going with injectors

if they are working properly you'll hear the ticking quite clearly, my guess is one is fubar and youll possibly hear the offset on the ticking rhythm

fueling itself is very intricate, relies on multiple inputs, timing, temps, pressure

if temps are off, that would create a rich running, but not so great as to use that much over such a short distance
if timing is off, that will cause the lumpy idle yes, but not so much the fuel consumption atleast again not to the level your saying
pressure, 2 points, map, this has an effect of fuel delivery levels so again can cause a rich running, fuel pressure this has relevance to amount of fuel, if the system has got pressure locked on the return, the pump could create enough pressure to cause injectors to stick open
Check there is a regulator on the rail, and make sure the regulator at the fuel tank has been removed
Testing injectors
its quite easy to test if you haven't got a spare set to use or the ability local to get them flowed, unplug the plug on the fuel tank to disable the pump (under back seat ), disconnect the harness an remove the injectors from the fuel rail and manifold, remove the coil pack and spark plugs
plug the injectors back into the harness, get someone to turn over the engine and feel each injector for constant ticking, if one has no ticking you know that ones knackered...

BIG NOTE make sure you disconnect the fuel pump, and BEWARE OF SPILT FUEL FROM THE RAIL.

thats my 5p

28th February 2013, 22:24

If i fix this (again) do i get a reach around?

28th February 2013, 22:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom5190

If i fix this (again) do i get a reach around?

If you fix this i will buy you a hot dog.

It doesn't count if its your loom that's causing it by the way. Also there are some smashed up plugs and plug retaining clips missing....... Wonder what happened there?????

28th February 2013, 22:38

Did anyone pull the injector plugs off one at a time and see what changes it made if any?

28th February 2013, 22:39

Okay a lot to answer not sure where to start, I don't want to throw scamming accusations around first of all .

I was told originally two days turnaround time for the conversion, this became two weeks due to all sorts of stupid issues, he then only at the end told me it either had 708s or ph3s inside, asked why he thought this he said that the cams inside were not the same as the standard cams he had to hand.
I was skeptical considering the headwork was done within the 1st week so why he hadn't informed me sooner I don't know, in hindsight I believe it may have been he was struggling with fuelling/idle and after two weeks was fed up of doing the conversion.

Timing being a tooth out, I know nothing of the subject and would have no idea of checking this either, I would hope they are timed in correctly considering the company who did the work are French experts.

Also cams must have been out for headwork as the head was sent off for skimming, Im not sure if it has been pressure tested or not.

Also the oil leak looked to be coming from between box and block, will have a look tomorrow but if it turns out to be something expensive then the cars being scrapped.

28th February 2013, 22:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

Also the oil leak looked to be coming from between box and block, will have a look tomorrow but if it turns out to be something expensive then the cars being scrapped.

Fuck... I hope its not the crank shaft oil seal mate.

28th February 2013, 22:45

oil leak..... is it from the hose fitting intake side of head just above the box? common leak spot

28th February 2013, 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bedford126

Fuck... I hope its not the crank shaft oil seal mate.

i didnt want to say that lol

28th February 2013, 22:46

Engine oil or gear oil leak? Smell nice of like cat piss?

28th February 2013, 22:48

Are you actually going to look at the cams or just keep guessing?

28th February 2013, 22:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by K567

i didnt want to say that lol

Just been honest mate the lad has had enough bull shit to last him a life time.

28th February 2013, 22:49

The leak started from nowhere, a puddle about 3x3foot appeared in the time it took me to start and idle the car after it had all been put together

By this point I was already late for work so I packed up, cried and left.

28th February 2013, 22:51

Oil was quite thick, golden and had no smell at all :/

28th February 2013, 22:56

Sounds like engine oil then. That isnt so good....
Please check the head above the box and the oil return hose as mentioned above. If its tipped a few valves it could be presuring the oilways.

28th February 2013, 23:01

as tilly said... can also be caused by ring seals gone due to bore wash from running so rich....

personally...... id be after your money back if youve paid someone to do this work....

28th February 2013, 23:08

Sounds terminal. Bye bye saxo :'(

28th February 2013, 23:10

no! dont give in yet

im still trying with my bag of shit! come on

28th February 2013, 23:11

Look mate if it is something that bad I'm sure if you buy me and ali some Dinner we can come around and sort out what's up.

28th February 2013, 23:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bedford126

If you fix this i will buy you a hot dog.

It doesn't count if its your loom that's causing it by the way. Also there are some smashed up plugs and plug retaining clips missing....... Wonder what happened there?????

Hahaha theres only so much i can do

Jap crap twat

Dont worry about it too much yet mate theres millions of things it can be so naturally we always expect the worst.

28th February 2013, 23:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

Sounds terminal. Bye bye saxo :'(

id atleast check the dipstick first tbh

28th February 2013, 23:15

I will be checking it 1st thing tomorrow and tom is popping in Monday too, but after everything that's happened its become nothing but a chore.

28th February 2013, 23:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

I will be checking it 1st thing tomorrow and tom is popping in Monday too, but after everything that's happened its become nothing but a chore.

Wont be a chore when tom has his hands on your internals!!!!!! if its something simple I'm going to look like a right twat now.

28th February 2013, 23:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bedford126

Look mate if it is something that bad I'm sure if you buy me and ali some Dinner we can come around and sort out what's up.

yes we can! sausage bacon n egg with some tommy sauce

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

I will be checking it 1st thing tomorrow and tom is popping in Monday too, but after everything that's happened its become nothing but a chore.

i know what you mean mate, but it is/will be sortable mate, everything is, its just about time and patience unfortunatly

honestly the number of times ive just wanted to get rid of since doing the conversion is ridiculous! but to drive it yesterday properly for the first time the smile i had on my face reached from ear to ear! deffo worth it once its all done dude so dont give in

28th February 2013, 23:49

time and patience are two things i dont have lol, plus i hate being a bus wanker at the best of times!!

if i dont see anything obvious regarding the leak tomorrow and tom has no luck on monday i wont be renewing my insurance which finishes tuesday and i will just get hunting for a new car.

28th February 2013, 23:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

time and patience are two things i dont have lol, plus i hate being a bus wanker at the best of times!!

if i dont see anything obvious regarding the leak tomorrow and tom has no luck on monday i wont be renewing my insurance which finishes tuesday and i will just get hunting for a new car.

neither do i mate, and same here! ive kinda got used to it now though tbh, bussing it, trains and taxis to get me around!

also, if thats the case, just get your self a cheap shitty runabout car and keep working on yours! it'll get there soon enough man, youre close enough as it is!

1st March 2013, 15:30

Exhaust cam, has the inscriptions 97/99 but nothing else clearly visible.

I got under the car and discovered that the leak is coming from almost directly above the lower gearbox mount, if it turns out to be crankshaft oil seal what damage am I looking at??

1st March 2013, 15:46

Oil has lost its Viscosity imo. pmslolol

1st March 2013, 15:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prickle

Oil has lost its Viscosity imo. pmslolol

Thank you for your excellent mechanical input there prickle, how about getting your cover off and checking your exhaust cam and coming back with some decent information

1st March 2013, 15:57

best picture on hand I got of one of my old gtis for you matt

1st March 2013, 16:00

No thanks i do not want to faff on ruining my seal dude. We all know they can be a pain. I would still put new oil in.

Im sure there will be images/threads on it though you could search on..

1st March 2013, 16:02

Cheers mate, much more helpful, I'd say they look the same!!

Shame I can't read the numbers on yours

1st March 2013, 16:04

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=434226

Chros made a thread not long back and his were standard but the markings on your cam (numbers) are different. Could be wrong though

1st March 2013, 16:09

crank the engine over by hand whilst another person keeps eye on cams it its cat cams I am sure they have cat stamped on them unsure on newman though

1st March 2013, 16:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prickle

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=434226

Chros made a thread not long back and his were standard but the markings on your cam (numbers) are different. Could be wrong though

Decent! Cheers for that

Left car now Sophia, just got out the shower and not getting mucky again!!

1st March 2013, 16:47

Theres no where for it to leak really above the lower GB mount, other than the selector arm and it wont be that. Unless the casing is cracked on the gearbox.
I reckon those are standard cams, I think the timing should be the next checked thing

1st March 2013, 16:51

spare engine ive got here at work is stamped 97 50 on the exhaust.
cant spin it over with the shite tools we have here.

your cam is likely 46 if you look upside down lol. both my numbers are the same way up

1st March 2013, 17:23

Turning my phone upside down could very well mean 46 so not sure how to judge the numbers really, like I say the lad told me they weren't standard, but who knows what's true!

I can't check the timing personally as I don't know how lol, and I did notice one lone gearbox bolt underneath the car, so clearly not bothered to tighten that back up and its come loose =(

1st March 2013, 17:26

i will check my inlet cam tommorow and hope it doesnt say 46 on it.

1st March 2013, 17:29

Cheers bud, is it possible to put the cams in the wrong bank??!

1st March 2013, 17:39

They look standard to me matey. They arnt CatCams in 99.9% sure of that.

I dont think you can fit them in the wrong banks either dude.

1st March 2013, 17:43

So standard cams that idle like a bag of shit = incorrectly timed cams.

1st March 2013, 18:04

just had a look at my spare head, diff numbers again, but theyre defo not news just checked both my sets of ph3's

oil leak, above lower gear box mount..... is there any on the block? or on the head above it, theres a pressure port bottom back corner of the head 6mm allen key if iirc check that oil can be coming from loads of places and pool in one....

that oil really does look shiiite as in bore washed shiiite

1st March 2013, 18:08

I dont know if you can fit them wrong as ive always marked them up. However after seeing my mates (both pug techs) being extremely carefull marking them up. I would guess it is possible. The bearings are in the same places etc.

1st March 2013, 18:10

Yeah I was going to say that the oil has a pearlescent look to it

1st March 2013, 18:14

I agree oil looks shit, the oil that leaked however wasn't similar, and checking dip stick all levels are fine.

I have driven this car probably 100 miles since collection last wednesday, no idea how many they put on it "testing" it but I fear its all fucked now

I was told "708s or ph3s" I bet they're standard though.

1st March 2013, 18:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

I agree oil looks shit, the oil that leaked however wasn't similar, and checking dip stick all levels are fine.

I have driven this car probably 100 miles since collection last wednesday, no idea how many they put on it "testing" it but I fear its all fucked now

I was told "708s or ph3s" I bet they're standard though.

Was the oil on the floor the same colour as in the engine?

What's to say standard engine oil wasn't used in the gear box? Seen it done before.

1st March 2013, 18:18

Oil on the floor was brand new golden oil, if it was crankshaft surely that would be same colour as the stuff in the engine.

1st March 2013, 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

Oil on the floor was brand new golden oil, if it was crankshaft surely that would be same colour as the stuff in the engine.

Yes it would.

1st March 2013, 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

Oil on the floor was brand new golden oil, if it was crankshaft surely that would be same colour as the stuff in the engine.

If it its standard engine oil in the gear box will likely leak because it too thin for the seals

1st March 2013, 18:21

Possibly,possibly not. Dont forget the head deals with all the breathers too. Amd if its mega overfueling /bent valves/vpoor cam timing theres gonna be fuel vapour there too. It doesnt look right though

1st March 2013, 18:22

Quote:

Hi this is xxxxxxxx girlfriend, believe you spoke xxxxxx last sat, and said U was gona txt. You must txt after he's left, he's away with some mate until next sat, they wheat from the unit to airport and he left his phone in the car. Don't worry he's not ignoring you. I will speak to him later off one lad phone. And get back to you. Sorry for tht. Xxxxx. x

message received from the mechanics bird, stalling tactics anyone?

1st March 2013, 18:24

I don't believe valves are bent. Only on idle is it terrible, after 4-5k it is really really quick and drives fine genuinely fine, surely a bent valve would make it drive like spanners all the time?

1st March 2013, 18:28

My guess is on timing from reading through and watching the video, if i was you id move it a tooth forward or back and see if it improves or makes worse if it makes it worse go the other way ... not even that much of a job could do it in less than a hour and cross that off the list

1st March 2013, 18:30

Cheers Andy, but I'm no mechanic and wouldn't know where to start, not only that but I have limited tools for things like this which is why I paid someone a small fortune to do it

1st March 2013, 18:30

I bought a ropey gti a few years back with a knocking motor. Still drove it home.pulled the motor apart to find the oil pump was basically shagged. The bearings where shot, the cam beraings where shot. So much so i could move the cams in the head (with belt off) had 8 bent valves, the undercrown oil jets where all in the sump and the pistons where scored to shit. But it still drove. And not horrifically.
Only the sump was really any use

1st March 2013, 18:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

Cheers Andy, but I'm no mechanic and wouldn't know where to start, not only that but I have limited tools for things like this which is why I paid someone a small fortune to do it

Its really not as hard as its made out theres a load of guides on here to do it would be easier to do it then change one, and you would just need a decent socket set. Your miles away or id offer to come over and help you.

1st March 2013, 18:45

As I said with the metro Gti the valve was only very slightly bent, so it would still rev up to the limiter ok and all that but the idle was awful. I mean that's a long shot mind you but never the less something to consider

1st March 2013, 18:49

Ahh you lot are so reassuring at times <3

1st March 2013, 19:01

Hopefully it wont be too severe but best having plenty of minds on it. As said before its a shame your miles away as id like to have a nose over this.

1st March 2013, 19:03

Any and all are free to Bob round and have a laugh!!

1st March 2013, 20:46

have you checked the injectors yet?

1st March 2013, 20:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by K567

have you checked the injectors yet?

Hes just checked his cams. Give him a few days mate.

6th March 2013, 00:29

Updates to my fucking depressing car.

Tom came around with Marcus yesterday and it turned out one of my injectors is knackered, so i have now bought a new rail with injectors guaranteed working.

Also a nipple has mysteriously fucking snapped on my inlet so now have to buy a new one of those, hopefully will be able to source one ASAP.

If these two don't fix my issue the car will be getting broken and i will be calling this an expensive lesson learnt, cannot afford to throw more money at it now sadly, so have been having a cheeky look around at some newer cars already

6th March 2013, 00:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

Updates to my fucking depressing car.

Tom came around with Marcus yesterday and it turned out one of my injectors is knackered, so i have now bought a new rail with injectors guaranteed working.

Also a nipple has mysteriously fucking snapped on my inlet so now have to buy a new one of those, hopefully will be able to source one ASAP.

If these two don't fix my issue the car will be getting broken and i will be calling this an expensive lesson learnt, cannot afford to throw more money at it now sadly, so have been having a cheeky look around at some newer cars already

Tom did all the work I just took the piss.

There was a manifold in the for sale section last week.

6th March 2013, 00:33

did anyone checking the timing?

6th March 2013, 00:35

Timing seems fine.. One of the injectors is clicking with the ignition off and some other shite.

And here matt.

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...t=16v+manifold

6th March 2013, 00:40

Cheers mate, Andy_k offered me one at a tenner collected, bit of a trek to get it though!!

6th March 2013, 01:10

Pay ali to go get em that lad loves driving around.

6th March 2013, 01:44

I would too if i had a working bastard car.

6th March 2013, 06:50

Collect from where haha?

6th March 2013, 14:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ali123

Collect from where haha?

Sheffield, need an inlet Mani as mine has a snapped vac nipple

6th March 2013, 14:46

would you want me to treck over there , can do for some petty monies dude?

6th March 2013, 15:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ali123

would you want me to treck over there , can do for some petty monies dude?

Knew you would offer lol. Its not actually that far its about 2 mins from the train station I did it there and back a couple of weeks ago in just over a hour.

6th March 2013, 15:12

Your a lovely bunch

Possibly having it delivered now but if not, yes ali i need your working 16v lol

6th March 2013, 16:50

Which nipple is snapped? If its the one to the charcoal canister it can be repaired quite easily with the inlet removed. Drill and tap the mani for an airline fitting would be easiest and araldite it in.
10 min job

6th March 2013, 16:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bedford126

Knew you would offer lol. Its not actually that far its about 2 mins from the train station I did it there and back a couple of weeks ago in just over a hour.

haha yep and ah not so bad then!

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

Your a lovely bunch

Possibly having it delivered now but if not, yes ali i need your working 16v lol

and i know haha

but fair play mate, if you need it picking up lemme know sausage
and its mine!

6th March 2013, 18:10

got injectors would of sent it you for post

6th March 2013, 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush

got injectors would of sent it you for post

Any chance you have a xsi head babes? lol...

Oh and matt give me a text when you have all the bits sorted and I will get ya some flushing oil cheap and a couple of filters.

6th March 2013, 21:58

Injectors on rail with fpr for £35 thanks for the gesture however Sophia much appreciated!!!!

Ali, believe Andy is going to bring the inlet to me, then just need fresh plugs/oil and fingers crossed it may run.

6th March 2013, 22:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

Injectors on rail with fpr for £35 thanks for the gesture however Sophia much appreciated!!!!

Ali, believe Andy is going to bring the inlet to me, then just need fresh plugs/oil and fingers crossed it may run.

Sounds alright man, best of luck sugar tots!

6th March 2013, 22:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ali123

Sounds alright man, best of luck sugar tots!

Thanks mate, i genuinely need some luck or im up shits creek with no paddle, too much money riding on this not to work

6th March 2013, 22:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

Thanks mate, i genuinely need some luck or im up shits creek with no paddle, too much money riding on this not to work

I know pal

sucks don't it :/
Also, when you sort it we have to go out for a boot!

6th March 2013, 23:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ali123

I know pal

sucks don't it :/
Also, when you sort it we have to go out for a boot!

Sucks donkey dick!! And here i was thinking I'd done it "the right way"

If it ever sees the road again we definitely do!!!

6th March 2013, 23:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

Sucks donkey dick!! And here i was thinking I'd done it "the right way"

If it ever sees the road again we definitely do!!!

shit happens mate, and i thought mine was bad!

but yeah we do! on flat and lever roads of course!

6th March 2013, 23:27

Haha yeah indeed, just got to get used to buses until i have enough pennies for a decent car!!

Not sure we will find many flat roads but we can try haha

13th March 2013, 17:06

Update of the week, ordered a set of injectors on a rail last Monday from eBay, they arrived today along with the ones gav sent me yesterday, just my luck :@ so they shall be going back.

Anyway new injectors on and problem still exists, i thought for a second it was OK, but then back to chugging away., old injectors i noticed were orange and marked 1800 down the side, new ones are blue marked 1600... CC possibly?

Anyways car will be sadly getting broken for parts unless someone wants to come and take it away with some cash in their hand.

Nothing else i know what to try and i have spent farrrrr to much money now trying to get it to run, just want shut.

13th March 2013, 17:13

fuck sake

no no no no no no! dont get rid :/

13th March 2013, 17:15

nought else i can think of tbh loom split causing elec arc slightly duff ecu

13th March 2013, 17:15

before you take a hammer to it just make a list of whats been done? See if we can all rack our brains one last time

13th March 2013, 17:52

How has the injectors not sorted it? the fault with the injector moved when we moved the dodgy injector?

Also did you get the fpr hooked up correct.

13th March 2013, 17:55

I may have missed it, but have you run a compression test on it?

13th March 2013, 21:13

Head was tested when it was sent for skimming, block hasn't been tested, i cant even drive it anywhere that could do it..

On another note i received a message from the lad who did the conversion today...

Quote:

. Alright pal, our lass restored my phone for me at weekend so lost half my numbers been waiting for you to txt, I can't see timing been out cos we have proper Citroen timing tool kit so can't get timing out, I looked at some cams I had 2 sets and numbers/ letters were different. I checked timing and was lined up, yet lumpy also felt a lot more on can when hit high rev so ths why we thought it had cams in. Sorry ie been away mate.

So there, i don't know anymore..

14th March 2013, 16:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gandi699

before you take a hammer to it just make a list of whats been done? See if we can all rack our brains one last time

Just saw this post.

Here is what has been tryed thus far

Ecu
Coil pack
Injectors
Map sensor
Cams (visually, but not removed)
Lambda sensor swapped for my known working 1.4..

And that's it.

The idle is terrible still, definitely miss firing, i haven't driven it for a month now and its gayyyy

15th March 2013, 09:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

Just saw this post.

Here is what has been tryed thus far

Ecu
Coil pack
Injectors
Map sensor
Cams (visually, but not removed)
Lambda sensor swapped for my known working 1.4..

And that's it.

The idle is terrible still, definitely miss firing, i haven't driven it for a month now and its gayyyy

Now you have it on the proper injectors it would be worth checking ecu again.

Whist doing the coil pack did you replace with new/known working spark plugs? miss fire would be caused by plugs, coil pack, bad ecu, bad timing.

Have a compression test that will tell if the piston rings are knackered.

IMO it can now only really be two things bad ecu or bad timing , unless the rings are gone

15th March 2013, 09:18

Also if you cant drive it some where to get a compression test done borrow or buy one , there like a tenner of ebay

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PETROL-ENG...item4850ee38cc

15th March 2013, 09:31

This ^^^^^

15th March 2013, 11:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

Just saw this post.

Here is what has been tryed thus far

Ecu
Coil pack
Injectors
Map sensor
Cams (visually, but not removed)
Lambda sensor swapped for my known working 1.4..

And that's it.

The idle is terrible still, definitely miss firing, i haven't driven it for a month now and its gayyyy

Do me a favour, if your plugs are all new, or clean, pull them all and take a pic of each one and label it by cylinder 1 2 3 4.

post here or email to darrenmathers@me.com

missed the last few posts over, told you injector, and vac leak, now its down to timing, or as said coil pack/ecu issue.

show me the plugs first, im free tomorrow and sunday if you want me to come have a look

19th March 2013, 20:45

Would it run if you mixed the cams over when fitting originally?

It'd defo miss if that'd happened.

My 2 cents.

19th March 2013, 21:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by K567

Do me a favour, if your plugs are all new, or clean, pull them all and take a pic of each one and label it by cylinder 1 2 3 4.

post here or email to darrenmathers@me.com

missed the last few posts over, told you injector, and vac leak, now its down to timing, or as said coil pack/ecu issue.

show me the plugs first, im free tomorrow and sunday if you want me to come have a look

All the plugs are black mate, not just like 1/2 but all 4, you did indeed say injectors

coil packs been done though so cant be that. My bet is rings are shot and ive been had over from the start, its sorned anyway now lost all the love i had for it, if i woke up and it was gone, id ve almost happy.

19th March 2013, 21:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

if i woke up and it was gone, id ve almost happy.

Can be arranged. Just don't report it as stolen cus I ain't getting fucked for it.

19th March 2013, 21:39

driver side front wing please

19th March 2013, 21:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlawlan69

My bet is rings are shot and ive been had over from the start

Rings dont cause overfuelling, but overfuelling does fuck rings i know lol

funny thing is I bet its something simple..... that just hasnt been done right and that has to be 1 of 3 things

1 injectors ( now fixed )
2 Vac leak ( is that fixed )
3 Fuel system in general

CAM timing does not cause over fuelling, they will cause poor fuel burn, making for rich, but wont effect fuel consumption to this level.
You've been pure squirting fuel with a) that dodgy injector b) a vac leak showing a bad MAP signal meaning ECU will add more fuel c) the fuel pressure/return/delivery of fuel is off making for too high a rate of fuel

Just my 2cents

Dont quit yet......

19th March 2013, 21:50

Injectors done vac leak done also.

Fuel system is funny though as now the return is going through the car. The whole car STINKS of petrol (inside) but there are no leaks apparent that i can see, fuel pump is my old 1.4 pump that worked perfectly fine before, sad thing is its become a money pit i cannot even drive, that's why I've given up

19th March 2013, 22:34

i bet that return is setup wrong, is the original regulator still connected by the fuel tank? if the car stinks its either because rubber fuel hose has been used instead of the full VTS fuel return conversion, which would also lead me to think its a shitty botch job...

get the guy thats done it to foot the fix bill including a new block..

name and shame on here

19th March 2013, 22:52

Its fuel hose, VTS pipes weren't available so that was used instead, the furio fpr has been removed and return looks to be in right, I'd hope it wasn't a shitty bodge at £1000 (most of that was servicing the engine)

MA Motorsport did the conversion but he avoided me like the plague for 2-3 weeks afterwards, I don't even want to fix it, truth be told i hate it now and its sat untouched for a few weeks.

19th March 2013, 23:14

keep at it, you paid a good wedge for this I wouldnt give up. Was the guy who built it on here? I am say name and shame if he isn't providing help

19th March 2013, 23:23

Really really suprised the injector's and vac leak fix didnt sort this. You know taht brown wire that is tapped to the left of the inlet undo the tape and make sure the wires are solded together im not sure what they are off top of my head but it looked like the had been cut previously may be a shout

20th March 2013, 00:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom5190

Really really suprised the injector's and vac leak fix didnt sort this. You know taht brown wire that is tapped to the left of the inlet undo the tape and make sure the wires are solded together im not sure what they are off top of my head but it looked like the had been cut previously may be a shout

injector loom that mate, just a plug.

new car is on the cards and this will just end up being towed into my nans garage to rot.

got a massive soft spot for this at the minute.

20th March 2013, 00:38

a lot of money down the drain if you just let the car rot away?

20th March 2013, 00:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gandi699

a lot of money down the drain if you just let the car rot away?

it is indeed an expensive lesson learnt yes, but all its doing "buying this, and just buying that" is costing me money, and im still getting buses and walking everywhere

20th March 2013, 00:48

better to fix it than buy an unknown quantity of a 182 though plus all the cost associated with that?

20th March 2013, 00:57

Yup but the amount of shit this car has caused me in 3 months is untrue, its seen the road for about 4 weeks since December... I regret pissing about with it in the first place tbh.

20th March 2013, 06:26

I'd still be after the guy that did it.....

MA Motorsport, their down Sheffield way right, little dude in his 20's.... I bought some stuff off him in the past seemed a decent guy...

20th March 2013, 06:39

Was the engine known to run properly before being fitted?
Seems a shame to give up on it but I see where you are coming from.

20th March 2013, 08:56

Definitely persevere mate, will be worth it in the end.
Could use it as a track car if you get the 182 as a daily? Id just take a well earned break from for a couple of weeks/months and have another crack with a fresh head. Perfect opportunity to have a track car if you've got use of garage!

Dan

20th March 2013, 10:00

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Originally Posted by K567

I'd still be after the guy that did it.....

MA Motorsport, their down Sheffield way right, little dude in his 20's.... I bought some stuff off him in the past seemed a decent guy...

He lowered it too and he does seem a decent guy which y I'm apprehensive to think he has done me over.

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Originally Posted by Andy_K

Was the engine known to run properly before being fitted?
Seems a shame to give up on it but I see where you are coming from.

Came from a big breakers down south who assured me it ran, car & engine looked clean so believed it.

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Originally Posted by dobsd001

Definitely persevere mate, will be worth it in the end.
Could use it as a track car if you get the 182 as a daily? Id just take a well earned break from for a couple of weeks/months and have another crack with a fresh head. Perfect opportunity to have a track car if you've got use of garage!

Dan

Yeah after everything I'd have had the 182 with change, but as it stands i don't have shit, i can't even sell it as I'd see not even half what its cost me since Jan and I'd lose tonnes which is why I'd rather it just sit in a garage!!!

20th March 2013, 10:18

id still be tempted to do a compression test a tenner will tell you whether its worth pursuing

but for now unplug lamda sensors and map sensor if its runs better but still abit rich one one is knackered

you could also pull the injectors out still wired in and see if one or more is jammed open

pull off the return and put a tub under it to catch the fuel and see if it runs better if so something may be jamming the return

also as said above if the original regulator isnt there it will cause massive overfueling

this is all free to check apart from compression ...

20th March 2013, 10:40

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Originally Posted by andyyy

id still be tempted to do a compression test a tenner will tell you whether its worth pursuing

but for now unplug lamda sensors and map sensor if its runs better but still abit rich one one is knackered

you could also pull the injectors out still wired in and see if one or more is jammed open

pull off the return and put a tub under it to catch the fuel and see if it runs better if so something may be jamming the return

also as said above if the original regulator isnt there it will cause massive overfueling

this is all free to check apart from compression ...

Most of thats been done

note if original reg IS there it will cause issues, if its not, thats how it should be as long as it has a VTS rail on it

VTS runs return, VTR is reg at tank no return

20th March 2013, 12:34

Ahh okay well after another read through and the amount that's been done I'd get the 1.4 fuel pump out and borrow at mates 16V one and id still disconnect the return just not block it so as its doesn't have to push the feul back up the return pipe as it may be easier for it to go into the engine then the return if you know what I mean

But trufully I'd be outside the guy who did this door everyday till he fixed it or gave a refund get in touuch with trading standards he's ripped you off mate you paid him to do a good job and get it to work properly

20th March 2013, 12:34

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20th March 2013, 12:57

as the man above said, if hes a business you cant just take money off someone for a substandard job. More to the point its never ran correctly so he cant say the fault was caused by you